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03-08-2008 01:35 AM  10 years agoPost 1
tchavei

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Hi. While I was browing through old posts having a blast about all the aurora hipe a few years ago, I realised something very interesting. CX (carbon extreme) was the company that promoted (and still does) the original Avant FX and EFX and all those carbon upgrades one can get for a series of different helis (dampners, tail fins, etc). SHortly after the Aurora was anounced, Augusto posted several times that the company behind the Aurora was now called "AvantRc". It looked like it was only a name change but now I realise they're probably two distinct companies (legally at least). With what intention was this done?

--> consiracy theory starts here <---

WHAT IF... somebody came up with a master plan:

a) create a "new company" with no direct affiliation to CarbonExtreme (AvantRC) so that it could open bankrupcy without affecting carbonextreme's assets

b) create a heli that would never be released (aka Aurora = Military Airplane that never came through)

c) start a marketing hipe to create enough demand so stores would be interested in the product and willing to invest huge sums of capital

d) produce spare parts for the heli at whichever cost and sell them to hobby stores before the actual kit (someone did the math and all parts added are like $3200 US so even if the stores have a 30% margin, thats still almost $2000 per spare part set that goes to AvantRC)

e) take the money from the stores and run. AvantRC opens bankrupcy, depts are limited to AvantRC initial capital and they're off the hook. Carbon Extreme isn't involved so nothing is at stake on their part.

Ok, maybe all this is too evil but hey, it could be doable no?

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03-08-2008 01:41 AM  10 years agoPost 2
heli3dmax

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Someone has more time on his hands than Augusto no!

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03-08-2008 01:56 AM  10 years agoPost 3
legoman67

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that was what i was thinking, only i sumed it up in a paragragh

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03-08-2008 10:57 PM  10 years agoPost 4
Shawn Pierce

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tony, I like your thinking. You should write a novel. Good theory.

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03-08-2008 11:07 PM  10 years agoPost 5
rsalazar

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Tony

I will get you a book book deal- Here is the title of the Book

The Aurora Consiracy - The True Story in RC World
By Tony - AKA tchavei

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03-08-2008 11:21 PM  10 years agoPost 6
tchavei

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The title sounds nice. I would buy the book. Maybe Augusto is writing it as we speak

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03-09-2008 03:29 AM  10 years agoPost 7
kwikee

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Interesting. The thing is, he would make a lot more money and sell a lot more parts by just putting them all together in a box with a book of instructions and calling it a kit. Maybe he hasn't figured that bit out yet?

James

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03-09-2008 03:35 AM  10 years agoPost 8
tchavei

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don't think so

THe "kit" is 3-4 times cheaper than the spare parts. Imagine that the costs went through the roof and the heli costs way more than 985 bucks to produce. Why sell the kits and dig a deeper and deeper hole if he can grab the kit contents and sell them as "spare parts" to the store?

Maybe his goal wasn't even running away. Maybe he sold the spare parts to get capital and risk a first batch production.

Just as a comparison, from the 2.5 million US dollars profit MA makes every year, 40% is from spare parts alone. and their kits are no way as cheap as avant's listed price

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03-09-2008 09:47 AM  10 years agoPost 9
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Did you hear the one about how we never went to the moon, and Kennedy being shot?

How was I to know she had a wooden leg

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03-09-2008 01:49 PM  10 years agoPost 10
tchavei

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We went to the moon?

Really?

LOL!!

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03-10-2008 10:27 AM  10 years agoPost 11
Dood

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CarbonXtreme and AvantRC are technically two different companies, owned by the same guy.
I'd imagine the same office and everything.

The Avant FX and EFX are still sold by by CarbonXtreme, but are now labeled as kits made by AvantRC.
Go to http://www.avantrc.com and see for yourself.

The FX and EFX decal sets used to include a decal that said CarbonXtreme, but it does no longer.

Its AvantRC now.

A different way to look at it,

AvantRC makes the kits.
CarbonXtreme is the distributor.

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03-10-2008 11:46 AM  10 years agoPost 12
kwikee

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Just as a comparison, from the 2.5 million US dollars profit MA makes every year, 40% is from spare parts alone. and their kits are no way as cheap as avant's listed price
But you have to have sold some actual helicopters for people to crash in order to sell spare parts. I find it hard to believe his intention was ever a one-off parts sell off to stores to try to re-coup money. He's gotta sell helis to sell parts.

James

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03-10-2008 01:42 PM  10 years agoPost 13
Madbob9

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You can take this with a grain of salt but I just heard from a source of a distributor that paid Avant a cool million for distribution rights outside of this country and of course has not received a single part yet.

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03-10-2008 02:21 PM  10 years agoPost 14
tchavei

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I believe you. our iberian distributer (which I know very well) paid 50.000 for parts and kits and just got the parts. They are fully paid already.

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03-10-2008 02:24 PM  10 years agoPost 15
sceaduboy

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How bout this: the Visa and Mastercard relationship. Parent company but in CX's case it is not a company but himself.

Does it sound right? Correct me if I'm wrong.

sceaduboy

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03-11-2008 02:26 PM  10 years agoPost 16
ofir

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CarbonXtreme and AvantRC conspiracy? neat

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03-11-2008 04:50 PM  10 years agoPost 17
rchelichop

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Well, what do you think, they always wonder about the 'rumors' that get started, but you know what they get started cause their is no information and lots of questions that never get answered so we end up having to try and figure out w.t.f. is going on.

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