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03-08-2008 12:44 AM  10 years agoPost 1
Isaac F

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I receive this on a e-mail. What you guys think?

Isaac

TIPS ON PUMPING GAS

I don't know what you guys are paying for gasoline.... but here in California we are also paying higher, up to $3.90 per gallon.

But my line of work is in petroleum for about 31 years now, so here are some tricks to get more of your money's worth for every gallon..

Here at the Kinder Morgan Pipeline where I work in San Jose, CA we deliver about 4 million gallons in a 24-hour period thru the pipeline. One day is diesel the next day is jet fuel, and gasoline, regular and premium grades. We have 34-storage tanks here with a total capacity of 16,800,000 gallons.

Only buy or fill up your car or truck in the early morning when the ground temperature is still cold. Remember that all service stations have their storage tanks buried below ground. The colder the ground the more dense the gasoline, when it gets warmer gasoline expands, so buying in the afternoon or in the evening....your gallon is not exactly a gallon. In the petroleum business, the specific gravity and the temperature of the gasoline, diesel and jet fuel, ethanol and other petroleum products plays an important role. A 1-degree rise in temperature is a big deal for this business. But the service stations do not have temperature compensation at the pumps.

When you're filling up do not squeeze the trigger of the nozzle to a fast mode. If you look you will see that the trigger has three (3)stages: low, middle, and high. In slow mode you should be pumping on low speed, thereby minimizing the vapors that are created while you are pumping. All hoses at the pump have a vapor return. If you are pumping on the fast rate, some other liquid that goes to your tank becomes vapor. Those vapors are being sucked up and back into the underground storage tank so you're getting less worth for your money.

One of the most important tips is to fill up when your gas tank is HALF FULL or HALF EMPTY. The reason for this is, the more gas you have in your tank the less air occupying its empty space. Gasoline evaporates faster than you can imagine. Gasoline storage tanks have an internal floating roof. This roof serves as zero clearance between the gas and the atmosphere, so it minimizes the evaporation. Unlike service stations, here where I work, every truck that we load is temperature compensated so that every gallon is actually the exact amount.

Another reminder, if there is a gasoline truck pumping into the storage tanks when you stop to buy gas, DO NOT fill up--most likely the gasoline is being stirred up as the gas is being delivered, and you might pick up some of the dirt that normally settles on the bottom.

Hope this will help you get the most value for your money.

WHERE TO BUY USA GAS

THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT TO KNOW. READ ON

Gas rationing in the 80's worked even though we grumbled about it. It might even be good for us!

The Saudis are boycotting American goods. We should return the favor. An interesting thought is to boycott their GAS. Every time you fill up the car, you can avoid putting more money into the coffers of Saudi Arabia.
Just buy from gas companies that don't import their oil from the Saudis.

Nothing is more frustrating than the feeling that every time I fill-up the tank, I am sending my money to people who hate us. I thought it might be interesting for you to know which oil companies are the best to buy gas from and which major companies import Middle Eastern oil.

These companies import Middle Eastern oil: Don't buy from them!!!

Shell........................... 205,742,000 barrels
Chevron/Texaco......... 144,332,000 barrels
Exxon/Mobil............... 130,082,000 barrels
Marathon/Speedway... 117,740,000 barrels Amoco............................62,231,000 barrels

Citgo gas is from South America, from a Dictator who hates Americans. If you do the math at $30/barrel, these imports amount to over $18 BILLION! (oil is now over $100 a barrel)

Here are some large companies that do NOT import Middle Eastern oil: Buy from them!!!

Sunoco..................0 barrels
Conoco..................0 barrels
Sinclair..................0 barrels
BP/Phillips.............0 barrels
Hess......................0 barrels
ARCO.....................0 barrels

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03-08-2008 12:58 AM  10 years agoPost 2
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I guess I will be buying from BP...good info. I hope it is accurate.

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03-08-2008 02:04 AM  10 years agoPost 3
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http://www.Snopes.com is your friend, but they're still working on this one.

'Undetermined'

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03-08-2008 02:23 AM  10 years agoPost 4
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Actually part of it is false. We get very little oil overall from the Middle East. Most of it comes from Canada, Mexico, and South America. And at some point ALL oil companies import oil from the Mid East at some point.

And there is no way to boycott Saudi oil, for one we dont buy that much from them. But more importantly you have top know how the oil industry works. Oil is shipped in and pumped into tanks and then refined. They dont separate anything other than light crude from heavy crude. Otherwise it all goes into the same tank. And companies buy oil where they can get it. You think prices are ridiculous now imagine what they would be if companies stopped buying what they could get from whom ever.

Monthly crude imports by country


This spreadsheet shows crude imports by company and where it came from.

And from a purely economic standpoint boycotting a particular company would only serve to drive prices up. The only thing that will lower prices is more supply or less demand. Which makes it much more important for us to be using the oil that we already have that we are sitting on because some sissy tree hugger is worried about a caribou.

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03-08-2008 03:10 AM  10 years agoPost 5
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The part of the article about the expansion of the gas and the vapor is 100% true. I know someone who writes computer programs for Sun petroleum and much of the inventory stuff revolves around shipping and receiving temperatures. On an oil tanker a change of 10 degrees in the oil is a HUGE volume change and the company has to account for the increase or loss for it's records.
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03-08-2008 03:13 AM  10 years agoPost 6
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One of the advantages of being a troglodyte is that you're sheltered from extremes in temperature variation.

I would have thought that the temperatures of underground tanks should be fairly constant?

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03-08-2008 03:21 AM  10 years agoPost 7
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I would have thought that the temperatures of underground tanks should be fairly constant?
I would think the same thing. I have heard about above ground tanks, ships, and trucks and understand that. But underground tanks would be installed below the frost line, so temperature should be pretty consistent.

Up until the part about who gets oil from where its actually a pretty good read.

"There is a fine line between cutting edge and bleeding edge.."

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03-08-2008 03:28 AM  10 years agoPost 8
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Do a search on who owns British Petroleum and you'll be in for a little suprise.

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03-08-2008 04:29 AM  10 years agoPost 9
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I work in alot of oil refineries around here. And if you look were they ship it out on truck you will see several smaller ground storage tanks in the area. They will have labels on them reading Shell additive, Conoco additive, Moblie additive, and so on. So it doesn't really matter what station you buy from. The gas comes from one refinery and they add the brand additive.

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03-08-2008 04:41 AM  10 years agoPost 10
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I still wonder why the hell we are not working on the Monty Burns slant drilling operation.

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03-08-2008 04:59 AM  10 years agoPost 11
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"Hey, if you guys are gettin' high off them fumes I'm gonna have to charge you for that." Moe Sizlack

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03-08-2008 05:19 AM  10 years agoPost 12
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He says its bad if your tank is less than half full. The gas will evaporate. Ya well that is not true, the fumes are not going anywhere.

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03-08-2008 05:32 AM  10 years agoPost 13
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Sure it does, the question is would it be a significant enough amount to really make a difference.

"There is a fine line between cutting edge and bleeding edge.."

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03-08-2008 05:33 AM  10 years agoPost 14
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Older vented system, out it goes -- slowly. Newer sealed system, not so much.

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03-08-2008 06:05 AM  10 years agoPost 15
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Ya well that is not true, the fumes are not going anywhere.
Yes it does on all 1996 and new car truck and vans. On board vapor recovery then passed with egr= exhaust gas and then resent through the intake to be burned. so newer cars recover the vapor and burn it as part of the intake air mixture and they use exhaust gas to heat the mixture in the intake plentum.
the vapor system has a vac sensor in the tank so when u fill up while the car is on some times it will light the engine light till it retests the tank and see the right vac in the tank, so this is why they tell u to turn new cars off while filling.

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03-08-2008 03:53 PM  10 years agoPost 16
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maybe if we by-pass the vapor cannister we can get some more mph ??

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03-08-2008 07:04 PM  10 years agoPost 17
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I just drove from Tampa FL to Memphis TN a couple days ago and here were the prices for Regular Unleaded.

Tampa - 3.21
N. Florida 3.31
Near Atlanta 3.39
Near Nashville 3.41
Nashville - Memphis 3.07.

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03-08-2008 10:43 PM  10 years agoPost 18
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gas here is 3.09 as yesterday.. regular

I got a question on all you oil exports.. is it true that the oil coming in from the middle east is only good for making fuel. that the grade is so low that it does not make very good lubricating type oils?
and the oil in the godd ol" U.S. of A is some of the best in the world as far as lubricating type oil. as insomething other than fuel

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03-09-2008 05:33 AM  10 years agoPost 19
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3.69 Diesel in Oklahoma

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03-09-2008 11:33 AM  10 years agoPost 20
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This is something that I found, just a short article. I just thought that it would contribute to the discussion. I spend a whopping $30 a month/or less on gas because my motorcycle gets an average of 45 MPG so I dont worry as much as others, but I am all for alternative fuels. But, as a country of excess (even me) if we are not all wikking to change it will be pretty damn difficult to get things in the works. But here is the article.

Where does the U.S. get their oil from? This is a good question. I am sure that almost every person reading this has gotten an email saying that we should all boycott one gas station or another, and that will automatically topple Saudi Arabia's oil export industry. I can't tell you how many of these chain emails I have gotten in the past couple of months. Americans are SO concerned about oil imports, yet they still go out and buy their Hummers and large gas guzzling SUV's. Hmmm...makes sense to me. Okay, so I finally had it with these emails and decided to do some research on where the U.S. gets its oil from.

I am here to set the record straight on where the U.S. gets its oil from. I jumped over to the Department of Energy's website to take a look at what they have to say about this matter, and it turns out that they have some great information about the matter. I guess that I should have thought of this before, but I guess I have been too preoccupied figuring out which gas station I should boycott. They thinking that "most" of our oil comes from the middle east is wrong. Sorry people...keep boycotting Citgo if you must, but I am here to tell you that THESE are the top ten countries that the U.S. imports from:

1. Canada
2. Mexico
3. Saudi Arabia
4. Venezuela
5. Nigeria
6. Angola
7. Iraq
8. Algeria
9. United Kingdom
10. Brazil

I don't know about you, but I only see three middle eastern countries in there (if you consider Algeria to be in the middle east). Okay, so Saudi Arabia is number three on the list, but look at where the majority of our oil is coming from! Dang!!! I have been boycotting Citgo, and Citgo Petroleum Corporation, which is owned by the Venezuelan state oil company, is importing almost all of its oil from Venezuela. Oops! Sorry, South America! According to the Dept. of Energy, a company like Motiva, which is partly owned by Saudi Refining Inc., would be expected to import a large percentage from the Persian Gulf. Hmm! Maybe I should boycott them. Will the crown prince of Saudi Arabia miss a payment on his royal yacht? Most likely, no...not even close. According to DOE, "In 2004, United States refineries produced over 90 percent of the gasoline used in the United States. Although the United States is the world’s third largest crude oil producer, less than 40 percent of the crude oil used by U.S. refineries was produced in the United States. Net petroleum imports (imports minus exports) account for 58 percent of our total petroleum consumption. About 50 percent of our petroleum imports are from countries in the Western Hemisphere, with 19 percent from the Persian Gulf, and 18 percent from Africa and 13 percent from other regions".

Okay, can we close this case now? We can boycott all we want, but oil companies can barely keep up with the demand for oil from China and India- countries that are starting to get more automobiles and have budding economies that demand it. They will always have a buyer! Why don't we start to show our government that we want our tax dollars going to new alternative fuel sources. I don't know about you, but renewable energy is the path to independence from any country's oil exports.

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