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03-06-2008 10:07 PM  10 years agoPost 1
TomRex

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We have a bogus group of guys down here in West Palm Beach that are flying in a water catchment basin. Most don't even know what the AMA is nor do they have membership. The main culprit is a New Guy in town that has a new hobby shop and started the fliers gathering there to raise his revenue. Seems the guy doesn't have AMA and doesn't promote AMA, if he did the AMA would tell him he better re think things. This place and the guys involved are a major black spot on the Legitimate and Sanctioned clubs here in Palm Beach County. What can I do as an AMA member to run interfearance and get these guys to join AMA, follow rules even join a legitimate santioned club?

Thank you,
Tom Jenkins
AMA 426976

I forgot to mention that they fly right at the intersection of two major roads and housing on the back side of said football sized field

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03-06-2008 10:16 PM  10 years agoPost 2
helibird

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St. George, UT

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This place and the guys involved are a major black spot on the Legitimate and Sanctioned clubs here in Palm Beach County. What can I do as an AMA member to run interfearance and get these guys to join AMA, follow rules even join a legitimate santioned club?
What do you mean black spot?? Are they flying dangerously or pissing off people? There's no requirement to get AMA to fly helis in fact if I didn't need it to fly at Funflies I probably would never renew. I'm sure the AMA has it's uses but to me personnally I view that as $58 wasted.
The main culprit is a New Guy in town that has a new hobby shop and started the fliers gathering there to raise his revenue.
Huhh that's crazy! A hobby shop owner that actually flies what he sells.

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03-06-2008 10:27 PM  10 years agoPost 3
kingair

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Utah - USA

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One day I was at the airport and this freight dog did a low flyby in a metroliner. Gear up, twenty feet of the deck and full speed. It was awesome to see! Some guy next to me immediately started to whine about how that was against the regs and someone should turn him in. I just looked at him and said didn't you enjoy watching the flyby to which the guy responded he did. I asked who he thought the pilot was hurting, well nobody. So I asked what's the problem then, why try to get the pilot in trouble, silence. Live and let live. If these guys aren't hurting anybody don't turn it into a political event.

There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."

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03-06-2008 10:42 PM  10 years agoPost 4
Boidman (RIP)

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1. Be the guy who tries to get them booted from that location.
or
2. Invite one or more to fly at the "Legitimate and Sanctioned clubs." Treat them better than you need to. Talk straight mostly, then yank their cranks a little. Don't tell them why your way is better, show them that it might be more fun.

No matter what your intent is, the topic makes it sound like you've got a chip on your shoulder. Attitudes and hobbies are not a good mix.

I have firsthand experience at several "Legitimate and Sanctioned clubs" with:
prick-cliques (prĭk klĭks)
n.
A small tightknit assemblage or exclusive group of friends or associates.

Most often made up of individuals who by themselves are pleasant to be around, but when gathered in a group of 3 or more can become smarmy loudmouthed cretins.

Not to be confused with grumpy old farts.
Don't let your sweet lovable self and your buddies show that side of the game.

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03-06-2008 10:59 PM  10 years agoPost 5
cooperd

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What makes them a bogus group? There are plenty of people enjoying model r/c flying that don't belong to the AMA. If people are able to find a suitable field and are using due care safety wise what difference should it make to you? You say the site is a catch basin, that doesn't say whether much about it's suitability for heli flying one way or another.

If their location causes radio interference with established club sites you may just have to work things out with them. We have a similair problem with park flyers using nearby playground. AMA is not going to referee those battles. Until the new president's recent comments in the AMA mag they have not shown much intrest in helping preserve existing flying fields that are being encroached on. 3 in our area closed last year with no replacements!

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03-06-2008 11:10 PM  10 years agoPost 6
slider46

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Ocala Florida

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I don't see what the issue is here.... Some guys are flying and having fun, they would not be able to fly where they are if they joined AMA they would be restricted to where they fly and have to go to your sanctioned field pay your club dues and AMA fees. AMA is good if your doing funflys with spectators, but If your a few guys flying together just for fun why stop them, if they were bothering someone I'm sure the local people would do someting about it...

Tom..... No "D" flying....

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03-06-2008 11:10 PM  10 years agoPost 7
docjoe

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Stockton, CA United States

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I agree with the others that you don't NEED AMA to get together and fly. I would, as a senior heli guy, to try to teach then the appropriate conduct around the flying field. When I first got into the hobby, I was flying by myself and there was no real person to guide me on flying etiquette and rules of in-air flying. As someone with an AMA membership and experience, you can help guide them to be responsible flyers without AMA. I agree with Boidman in being diplomatic since you're crashing their party. It's only a black spot on the sanctioned heli if they're raucous and are a public nuisance. You can help them remain part of the community in a positive way.

Joe
We haven't seen Colonel Angus around these parts for years!

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03-06-2008 11:44 PM  10 years agoPost 8
Rennster

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+1 Boidman's comments. That's the MAIN reason why I am planning on selling my nitro heli to get a Trex500. The guys at our local park are cooler and much easier to talk to.

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03-07-2008 12:53 AM  10 years agoPost 9
WAFlowers

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Clearwater, FL - USA

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First, I'm not (yet) a member of AMA (I'm still building and haven't started flying) but I'm confused about what TomRex is saying. It sounds like he is implying that AMA membership forbids flying at anything other than
Legitimate and Sanctioned clubs
However even the 2008 AMA Membership Manual under Safety Recommendations says:
The majority of model flying that takes place today is recreational
rather than within a formal competition framework, and sometimes
on publicly accessible sites with little or no formal control.
My reading of the manual didn't find any prohibition from using non-club locations so long as reasonable and appropriate safety precautions are met.

Am I wrong about this?

--
Bill

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03-07-2008 01:18 AM  10 years agoPost 10
cooperd

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Best to my knowledge AMA doesn't prevent you from flying an Non AMA fields, etc.

It is my understanding the insurance coverage is even in effect!

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03-07-2008 02:34 AM  10 years agoPost 11
Eco8gator

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Palm Beach, FL

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Yeah, whst does "black spot" mean?

C

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03-07-2008 03:13 AM  10 years agoPost 12
ttsingram

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Lincoln, Ne

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There has been many arguments how plankers don't like helis at their fields, members or not. The local field here only allows enough room to basically hover. Just make sure you try not to piss them off and turn them off from the AMA or any other official field or clubs. I am not a member of AMA yet but I don't think I will ever be a member of the local field because of their attitude towards helis. If I was those guys and was approached with a negative attitude I probally look down on AMA and such and think "snobs."

TomRex, you have been positive here, (at least that I have seen) and have helped me with several things. Mabe these people don't even know about the AMA. I'd say like above, invite them and show them what it's all about and they can have just as much fun safely.

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03-07-2008 03:26 AM  10 years agoPost 13
cooperd

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Well there are two sides to that coin! Very near my home is a GREAT flying field, in fact two areas of equal size. Either would be wonderful for large size planks....except the club in heli flyers. You can only fly planks there if you primarily fly helis. So the anamosity cuts both ways, why I don't know.

My primary model field has both heli and plank flyers and our group gets along just fine. We all enjoy each others company and know each other fairly well.

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03-07-2008 03:40 AM  10 years agoPost 14
ttsingram

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My primary model field has both heli and plank flyers and our group gets along just fine.
Thats great. Unfortunatly I don't think they all that state of mind.

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03-07-2008 10:38 AM  10 years agoPost 15
TomRex

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I can't believe that there are still some morons here in America.
I hear what some say and agree and some I don't agree with but thats ok. The thing is someone or something is going to get thrashed, Its a matter of when not if. When it happens the do do will hit the fan.
There are two excellent facilities that two clubs here in Palm Beach county have built. One is among the largest clubs in the US. Its bogus to run an illigitimate facility let along next to a highway and houses. I have a 25 acre back yard where I live and I do fly some but mostly go to the field. You non AMA members need to re think, specially when it comes to a hospital visit or you stuff your heli thru someones windshield. The Black spot is in reference to the Two sanctioned clubs verses an illigitimate flying site. The possibility of somthing major will spot us all when it happens. It only takes one remember.
Why risk convienence for security and forsake your local ligitimate club site? If you join your local club that makes it stronger. Why are you not AMA members?

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03-07-2008 03:07 PM  10 years agoPost 16
helibird

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St. George, UT

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One is among the largest clubs in the US
That right there is why I would fly in the "black spot" I'm assuming these are large plank clubs. Spending my weekend competing with 50 plankers doesn't sound like much fun to me.

You raise some good points about strength in numbers. The problem I see, and this is just my opinion, AMA sure doesn't seem to be very effective or helpful in protecting/creating flying sites. I read all the time in here about flying fields being lost and not replaced. The local plank field is going thru this right now. They are getting very little support for AMA, pretty much have been told "if/when you find a new field let us know."

The insurance thing is a whole other discussion. I have no personal experience but have read several places on here that AMA insurance only picks up after your personal insurance is maxed.

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03-07-2008 03:18 PM  10 years agoPost 17
Hotwings

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Florida, West Palm Beach.

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TomRex,
I am a life member of the AMA and i fly with those guys. they have permission from the Water Authority to fly there, i happen to know for a fact that most (not all) of the flyers there are AMA members.
i also belong to Bushwackers (Dyer Park) and the Atlantic club. I also fly at Markham Park (where it's crazy to fly, three clubs, just as close to two interstate hwys as the water plant is to Jog Road.
There are all 2.4 radios and almost all electrics flying here and we only fly one heli at a time, except for hovering. Stop by and introduce yourself, you might enjoy some laid back flying. If you see me at Dyer Park or Atlantic or Markham say hello. Ron Sormrude

Please cancel my clearance, I have the field in sight. Got my RW Turbine Waiver, need lottery!

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03-07-2008 04:00 PM  10 years agoPost 18
Hotwings

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Florida, West Palm Beach.

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I would like to also say that Carlos had the "Toys for Tots" flyin at this site in early December and had Elvis, Mike Fortin, and a bunch of other sponsored pilots flying at this site,and there were a bunch of donations made to the "Toys for Tots", the marines were there, fire and police depts, and about 100-2-- observers. You can bitch if you want, but, i have never met a nicer bunch of heli guys and i meet a lot of flyers at all the meets i go to.

Please cancel my clearance, I have the field in sight. Got my RW Turbine Waiver, need lottery!

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03-07-2008 04:38 PM  10 years agoPost 19
helimatt

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Doesn't sound very "illegitimate" to me. Sounds like another club in the process of forming (perhaps).

Never, ever, ever, ever give up.

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03-07-2008 06:11 PM  10 years agoPost 20
TomRex

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just as close to two interstate hwys as the water plant is to Jog Road
There is a big difference between 200 feet and 1000 yards.

Our field in West Palm Beach has a designated Heli area as well as the "runway" so there is no interference.

Anybody that is an AMA member knows better but is probably too lazy to drive to a legitimate site. And are afraid to join the club and or AMA.

Helimat, there is a Shop down south that did the same thing to raise his revenue. Things were good untill three people and a car got whacked pretty bad, cops, ambulance, local news, you get the picture.
The Dew hit the fan and splatted bad that time.

2.4 is nice butt, the responsebility lies within whos hands its in.
Been there and done that and seen the results. No supervision and no education equals what? Common what? No rules no regs? No field officers? No safety board. No Roberts Rules? No meetings?
you got nothin so what are you? Bogus Fliers illigally flying in an unsanctioned field very closd to two major roads and the intersection.
Thats all you got!

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