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03-07-2008 06:20 PM  10 years agoPost 61
TwistedRotor

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I travel a bit for work and usually hit the LHS in the area I'm at. One thing I've noticed is that you'll never get in and get out. Most of the time it's 20 minutes min. The BSing never ends long enough to pay for what I'm getting. But I've accepted that how most of them are and just have to chuckle about it.

Our LHS has lots of Trex 450/600 and E-flight parts but not much Raptor. Just random stuff like a flybar for a 60, blades for a 90, and a tail belt for a 30. But still support them when I need non-Raptor parts.

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03-07-2008 06:34 PM  10 years agoPost 62
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your telling me to support my LHS, but at the sametime your telling me to get the product as cheap as i can. im not going to go in there and give him offers, damn it dude.
YES!!! I get great deals all the time at my LHS, and i'm not afraid to ask. He WANTS my bussiness and i Want him to be there!!! We wash each others back that's how it works. If not he'll be gone and i'll be out of luck with nowhere to get parts, fuel and stuff on a Saturday morning. Sorry if some of you guys don't believe in spending money locally but i do. This is not to say i never buy on line because i do that too. For sure at least 80% on my RC stuff is purchased at my local shop.

By the way this has nothing to do with any classified buys or sales. This thread for me is all about supporting local shops. Heck local no matter what, even if it's a pizza place or a 7/11. I try to spend my money in my own town/area whenever i can........


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03-07-2008 06:52 PM  10 years agoPost 63
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i think if espn will put poker and scrable on tv, then the masters and xfc should have been there a long time ago. i think a lot of people would be glued to the tv with pure amazement for what this brilliant machines can do.
We thought the same way about skydiving years ago. But, TONS of people play poker and scrabble. So it is interesting for them. I bet I could pop in a skydiving video and you would get bored with it quicker than you think. Heck, I can't watch an entire XFC video and I know how hard it is t pull off those stunts.
when you think about it, if hobby town would get rid of some of that stuff that is not really hobby related, mabey they could carry more common heli stuff. they could get stuff like blades, or whatever that any heli pilot could use
It has to do with scope and return on investment. They might sell one heli a week, where they sell 5 games, 6 stuffed animals ect a day. They are in business to make money and they have a better ROI on everything else.

ttsingram
That's why when I went in over a year ago to buy a Blade Pro. At that time that's only what I could afford. They tried to push me into a Trex. They finally gave up when I walked out the door with the Blade.
Or maybe they knew that a Trex is more than twice the heli a Blade is and you would have a better chance of success with it?

J.D. Wilson
As mentioned before, if poker can be on ESPN and all over tv why can't helis have some type of "X games" event? I say we start blitzing ESPN with emails, send them some links to some Szabo videos.
I have dealt with the "X" games people. They CXL'ed skysurfing since since people didn't "get it" and it was not bringing in ad revenue. The sports that stayed in bring in SO much more in advertising than skydiving or RC heli's could bring in, and they are sports that people can relate to doing.

We have had luck inviting them to current events like the US Nationals, but they have only been to one in the last 4 years. And then it was only for a quick clip used on a sports show.

In addition, RC helis are not "active" like the other "X" Games sports. They want to show humans doing cool stuff, not sitting there with a control box. We had this issue with the Olympics as well. Since we needed a to burn fuel to participate the committee didn't think we were in the spirit of the Olympics.

CJames
I went into a hobby shop in Topeka Ks. for the first time last week, the owner followed me around like a puppy
If he has a stealing problem, you can't blame him. Also is it possible he was just trying to be there to help you?

It is supply and demand in action with LHS's. We bitch they don't carry what we want but we don't go there and support them, so why would they care what we want? If you are not willing to talk to the LHS and tell them what you want them to have and then follow up with actually using them...Well you can't blame them for not knowing what you need.

Case in point. I knew a LHS guy that knows nothing about Helicopters. He never carried heli parts since every time he did order stuff it sat there on the shelf collecting dust. He ended up selling it at cost or for a loss to buy new product that would move. He finally closed up shop and asked me if I wanted to buy it. NO FREAKING WAY. The guy was nice, had good prices, but everyone ordered from places like Tower to save a dollar. The amount of energy put into the place was not equal to the amount of income received.

My new LHS...Hell, I work there for free to support him. He helped me out when I needed it, has good prices and great service. He is doing OK now, but 2 years ago he was looking for a second job. Owning a hobby shop is not easy, heck owning any business is not easy.

I don't bash them since they have their life wrapped up in the place, for us it is just a place to get toys. They have to make choices about their stores....I'd rather a place not carry anything than not be able to support what they sell.

All just my opinion.

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03-07-2008 11:31 PM  10 years agoPost 64
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my point is, asking for a discount means that they could have sold it to someone else for the asking price, so you are making their profit margin smaller, which i dont see that as support. he is really helping you out man, if you wanted to really help him out you would pay the asking price. what if he wont come off his price? it is easy for you to tell me to support the hobby shop because you are not the one being charged full price. mabey you dont get a discount on everything, but you get prices that i dont. if i could get a blade at your cost i would, but my hobby dealer dose not work that way.

you act like people choose not to support the lhs, well, the lhs has to support the hobby before the people can support the hobby shop. this is why it is hard for me to buy from my dealer. it will take him a week to get my stuff, im not going to order through him and wait 5 days longer so i can support him.

ron
i see what you are saying, but people see others sky diving all the time. most people have never seen a 40% hanging on the prop inches off the ground. when i tell people what rc aircraft can do, it is as if they dont believe me. people do relate to scrable and poker, but i think people would be so amazed that it would not matter that they do not understand. you are right people will get board, but that is with every sport. many people dont watch the full coverage. what xfc has going for it though, is that it is only once a year. since it would not be aired all the time, i dont think people would get as board.

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03-08-2008 03:38 AM  10 years agoPost 65
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Only if our LHS supports us

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03-08-2008 04:10 AM  10 years agoPost 66
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well, our hobby is Unknown Hobby no body knows about it , when some one ask me whats your hobby (specially girlssss) they freakout acually I had to explain every thing in details , ok its a heli with radio control like the tv remote control , yea , exactly same concept mannn come on , havnnt you guys seen any one flying before ?????? that reflect on the LHS and people demand again ,

Scale life or no life !

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03-08-2008 04:34 AM  10 years agoPost 67
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My LHS is slowly getting better. A year ago they didn't stock parts for the heli's they sold, Now they carry most of the stock needed after many requests from fellow members.

Now if they would go online with a decent website and do some local TV advertising they just might do well.

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03-08-2008 04:40 AM  10 years agoPost 68
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This all sounds more like the chicken and egg routine.
To all this i say "Hey, Who's hungry?"

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03-08-2008 05:05 AM  10 years agoPost 69
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funny you should mention it.. but here is the deal.
October 07, go to LHS ask for a new starter, he says "I can get it", I say "great, get me one. call me, here is my #".

two weeks later, "didnt come in yet"
two weeks later, "they were out of stock"
two weeks later, "what did you want again?"
two weeks later, "I ordered it but it didnt come in yet"
a month later, I say, "do you want me to pay in advance?" "no, I will get you one, a sullivan dynatron ok?" "yes, fine whatever"

a month later, "didnt come in yet."

well, the LHS is a dealer for a major hobby retailer/wholesaler.. who has a warehouse in the same town we live in... shipping is almost OVERNIGHT..
long story short, I already have my starter, mail order. I ordered it myself on friday night at 3pm, got it priority on Saturday morning, but the LBS cant get one in 3 months??

now for the creme de la creme. The plans for the weekend? driving 300 miles to a major hobby store to "look around".

supporting your LHS depends on exactly what Jeff said, "Only if our LHS supports us"
I have no problem buying stuff locally, even waiting patiently for them to get what I need. But when you get ignored they deserve what they get. btw, I still go there but to laugh at the car guys cause thats all he carries anymore. he says he flies but his raptor has been crashed for months....

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03-08-2008 10:26 AM  10 years agoPost 70
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My local hobby shop laughed at me on 2 different items i asked if he was going to stock.
first item was the new Red line 53 engine. buuuuuut he did order it with out telling me. i told him got it at a on line store.
2nd item was the new JR Vibe 50 , he did say he had to send all his vibe 90s back.
i do try and support my LHS tho with stuff like this it makes it hard. he has tons of stuff at the store. just trying to stay afloat.

Hey I didn't ask for this fetish.!!!But I'am sure paying for it....

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03-09-2008 06:28 AM  10 years agoPost 71
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i see what you are saying, but people see others sky diving all the time. most people have never seen a 40% hanging on the prop inches off the ground.
Where? I have been skydiving 16 years and flying RC 23. I have seen WAY more RC stuff than skydiving stuff in any given year.
when i tell people what rc aircraft can do, it is as if they dont believe me.
When people ask and I show them video of skydiving, they don't believe it. That does not matter. If you have seen one piro flip, you have seen them all. People find it cool, but try to get them to watch 30 mins of it.

Heck I can't watch BASE, even though I have done it....It gets boring watching people fall, pull, land over and over and over. I can't watch a full XFC CD without taking a break. I see the same stuff over and over and over. My GF leaves the room.
people do relate to scrable and poker, but i think people would be so amazed that it would not matter that they do not understand.
I have been this route before. Unless people see tons of crashes they just don't get it and will lose interest pretty quickly.

Hey I think it is great you are trying...But I have been down this road. As the average person if they want to watch some idiots jump out of a plane, or some grown men play with toys and see what they answer with.

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03-09-2008 04:29 PM  10 years agoPost 72
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I have been down this road
why did you give up?
what did someone tell you that proved it would not work, and you were waisting your time.

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03-09-2008 05:02 PM  10 years agoPost 73
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I started this post to help or maybe get some suggestions on how to help the LHS sell more helis, Selling more helis promotes the hobby and in return repeat business. The local hobby shop should not be in business to make money! Making money is the end result of being successful at catering to the needs of customers. If the LHS focus on making money then they will soon be out of business. I think their is a lot more profit from the heli customer per visit than the car/plank customer. The problem is we as heli fliers are unknown unseen and nobody knows anything about this hobby except us! I for one love to watch helis fly in a way that seems realistic, IE Fast forward flight with a roll or 2 coming back with a loop and a flair up and hover at the end. This tick-toc flipping almost crazy flying does amaze the first time viewer but is not what helis due or can due in real life and is totally unrealistic in my own opinion. These pilots have some great skills no doubt about it and would love to have those skills but its liking watching a boat on the lake standing on its nose and flipping upside down and still maintaining forward speed. Skills? YES, Realistic? NO. Have you ever watched a video of a rc heli flying back and forth rolling and looping? It looks awesome and totally realistic. Then watch a 3D video of this heli you cant even keep up with let alone understand whats going on. That's not a helicopter thats a ??? What is that exactly?

Clint

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03-09-2008 05:25 PM  10 years agoPost 74
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To start with i didn't jump in to the thread to start any fights. I just wanted to make a few points on why I think is a good thing to support the local guys. It just happens that i'm a very strong believer in this. Yes i might on occation get a better deal than the average "Joe" that walks into my LHS, but why is that? It's simple, i do spend a lot of money there and and they actually see me quite often. Hey, i've been to other shops where the serevice was not axactly stellar. That's usually because there's not anyone there that know anything about what i want. And yes sometimes it's just because the people that work there have some kinda bug up there butts.Some shops seem to care about there customers and some don't i guess. Seems like that's the real problem.

We must just be lucky around here. The hobby shop is even known to deliver parts and fuel and stuff to the field from time to time. I wonder why he gets my support?????

I'm headin to the side lines now. I think i'm done. The weathers about to change for a lot of us so lets just go flying and have a good time.Land em on the skids and enjoy!!!!


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03-09-2008 06:43 PM  10 years agoPost 75
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I have been down this road
why did you give up?
what did someone tell you that proved it would not work, and you were waisting your time.
We thought we were making good headway when skydiving was in the opening ceremonies in Soul. It seemed that the Olympic committee was starting to like the idea. Again in 1994 when two skysurf teams jumped into the Olympics. In the end they drug it out for about 10 years before they finally said no.

We thought we had an in when skysurfing was part of the XGames. But studies done both by Xgames and outside companies showed that most people would watch a few minutes and then get bored since they didn't really understand it or know how hard it was to do....They just could not relate to it. And to quote ESPN spokeswoman Katie Moses Swope, “It just wasn't progressing.” So they dropped it.

http://pxi.signonsandiego.com/union...n24skydive.html

We thought we had an in when ESPN agreed to cover our Nationals. We had to hold the event at the same location for two years which is against our normal process, but we did it for the chance to make it big. Here is the final result we got for changing our location process for two years.

http://www.uspa.org/PUblications/mu...zaNationals.mov

About 4 mins on a show called "Cold Pizza" with about 1.5 mins of actual coverage.

We, as a group, think skydiving is just the best and don't understand why everyone is not interested in it...How can you not love it? Great action, fantastic scenery, high speed...Heck whats not to like? We have a saying, "Those that do, can't explain it. Those that don't, would never understand."

Simple fact is it is a niche sport that attracts a few people. USPA (the skydiving AMA) has about 34,000 members. The AMA has about 150,000. Even as large as 150,000 is it is nothing when compared to the amount of people that care about NASCAR, WWE wrestling, NFL, and the NBA. Hell, Golf and fishing shows have more followers.

R/C is lots of fun to do, and for those that like it it can be fun to watch. But for most people they will not understand how hard a piro flip or rolling harrier 1 ft of the deck is...And they will watch for a few mins then get bored and move on. When I used to throw party's I used to put skydiving video's on in one room. Even the skydivers left the room to watch "must see TV" in the other room. I watched my no-skydiving friends. They would look at the TV, and ask a few questions and then walk away. It had them for maybe 10 min. I have done the same with RC vids to the same result.

WE love what we do, but just because WE find it an "addiction", does not mean others will as well.

I was at the Drop Zone Sat. Since I thought the runway was going to be solid mud till about noon, I took my Vibe to fly. Oh, I got a crowd interested....The most common question was, "Is it going to crash?"

So, I support your push....I used to carry a trainer plane with me to the flying field and anyone that showed up I took them up on it...But, the best you are going to do TV wise is get a 5 min bit on some show like Cold Pizza.

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03-09-2008 08:41 PM  10 years agoPost 76
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Its a no brainer to me
even all the way over here in New Zealand,EDITED AS I WANT NO REFERENCE TO RCHELIS IN ANY OF MY POSTS

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03-09-2008 08:45 PM  10 years agoPost 77
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when you think about it.... TOWER pays the cost of shipping to the states
then I pay the cost of shipping to NZ....... and the cost IS STILL CHEAPER than buying from a LHS go figure!!??

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03-09-2008 09:27 PM  10 years agoPost 78
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Unfortunately where I live the flying season is very short 3-4 months maybe 5 if we're lucky. We don't have time for shop owners to smarten up, if they want our business they need to stock up on parts and fuel before the season starts and they need to know the people who are their potential customers. I am not willing to wait 2 weeks for parts when I can get them online with in a week at less cost.

This year I am stocking up on parts and fuel so I won't have to wait.
I already have 2 spare frames an engine and several other parts that I got on EBAY for less than 30% of the NIB from the retailer.

It's all up to the business owner if they want to succeed.
It is not for us to help business owners, they will do what they want irregardless of what we say or do.

If you have a good LHS nearby you should support them, But if you have a mediocre LHS maybe you should let them fold and let someone new try.

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03-10-2008 04:22 AM  10 years agoPost 79
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well said
blademaster

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03-22-2008 08:43 PM  10 years agoPost 80
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Support LHS
It is not our job to blindly support our LHS. It is his job to make us want to support him. "A fool and his money are soon parted"

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