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03-06-2008 07:15 PM  10 years agoPost 21
pchristy

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dazzaster:

The updated information and recommendations from the importers only became available last week-end. Because of publishing deadlines, and the fact that the AHA doesn't want anyone to be disappointed at Charmouth, we felt we had to act and warn pilots that some restrictions would be applied to these sets at the event.

I will try and chase up the BMFA to issue a statement when I get chance, but I'm presently working 12 hour shifts (plus 2hrs travelling), so my time is limited until the week-end!

Now you know what the AHA are doing, you are quite at liberty to follow the same guidelines at your club. That is your call.

Remember that the AHA has to carry insurance to organise an event such as Charmouth. Leaving aside moral obligations, in the event of an accident, the AHA has to be able to demonstrate that it took all reasonable precautions to prevent its occurence. We cannot even rely on pilots to return their pegs on time, so I, for one, would be extremely reluctant to trust many of them not to do something daft with their transmitters!

I believe the restrictions we are imposing are moderate and sensible, and will address the issue until a permanent fix is instituted by the importers.

Just in case anyone is under any illusion that this is an "anti-Futaba" restriction, we will also be refusing entry to transmitters known not to be EU compliant, such as the X9303.

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03-06-2008 07:18 PM  10 years agoPost 22
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DAZZASTER

you dont even fly there, so why you are posting your usual crap is beyond belief...

The AHA have to take precautions, if you dont like it then dont fly there which you dont do anyway...

At least they are not banning them outright.. which was the option put forward...

Ps i like the part you changed in your profile about the swedish Chef, it has one X muppett... nice little bait....

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03-06-2008 07:27 PM  10 years agoPost 23
dazzaster

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The updated information and recommendations from the importers only became available last week-end.
what are these new recomendations ?
and in this day an age how come it takes the bmfa and the aha so long to publish a bulletin its the web is al they have to do is copy and paste what the manufactorers have said on there website?

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03-06-2008 07:41 PM  10 years agoPost 24
dazzaster

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Matt please keep your insults to yourself im entitled to post questions regarding 2.4ghz at charmouth ive made valid points
as for my profile, as for my profile thats has nothing to do with you hence why you are on my ignore , if i wanted to bait you i would off taken you off ignore so you could read it without have to log on under another name.
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03-06-2008 07:50 PM  10 years agoPost 25
Bond007

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I agree with Pete and the AHA on this.

They are the organisers of this event, and as such have a 'duty of care' to take any precautions they deem necessary. There is a known issue with some Futaba 2.4 systems, which doesn't appear to be fully resolved yet, so it's only reasonable that the AHA tries to prevent any possible problems from occuring.

To suggest that everyones models should be thoroughly examined before flying, is impractical and unreasonable.
hence why i sudjested that a test staition be set up at charmouth and all tx be tested at transmitter control, then all tx would be tested and the sticker applied and all flying at the event would know about it.
Are you going to volunteer your services to do this ?

To MattJen and Dazzaster.....please don't start a slanging match AGAIN

I'll ask Mr Ryder if you can have your own forum
Thats the problem when you let the fun police get hold of something
Safety has to be TOP priority at any flying event. Surely you agree with this. So someone has to take control and act responsibly. Without someone organising the Charmouth event, it wouldn't happen.

I don't beleive they are being heavy handed or over reacting, just acting on the current information available.

As you are not going, why are you moaning about it

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03-06-2008 07:57 PM  10 years agoPost 26
dazzaster

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To suggest that everyones models should be thoroughly examined before flying, is impractical and unreasonable.
the check takes no time at all.
Safety has to be TOP priority at any flying event. Surely you agree with this
tottaly agree the only proble i was aware of with the futaba system was that some where set to zero (not programmed) and that they may go to zero if turned off before booting up i am not aware of any other issues and was under the impression that the problem futaba had was resolved with the testing system??
MattJen and Dazzaster.....please don't start a slanging match AGAIN
agree been trying to ignore him but his post had been brought to my attention and calling me an f.... muppet just for posting something that is relitive is un called for.
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03-06-2008 08:04 PM  10 years agoPost 27
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[quote]agree been trying to ignore him but his post had been brought to my attention and calling me an f.... muppet just for posting something that is relitive is un called for

i get so bored dealing with an AMoeba, actually read what wrote - i did not call you a F muppett, i said "chef has only one F.... Muppett, not two as you put in your profile...to bait me..

Post that has been to your attention, you really are full of it, all you did was click on my name and see my last post,but seeing as you have gone crying to MarkRyder like a stupid school boy,it now makes the post seem even more aggressive when it wasnt, you keep changing your profile to bait, i will bite everytime.... and considering you put me on ignore it is just so funny, you keep posting about me...
i dont have to sign on under another name, muppett,all i do is click on your name which comes up as the last poster,and you dont have to be on ignore to read a profile, you looked at my profile despite me being on your ignore list,and saw my catering photo's and then changed your profile to bait,(photo of muppets and someting about sweedish chef) now you make yourself out as the victim

i promised Sean this wont be a slanging match, but maybe if you actually turn up to Charmouth i tell you that to your face!!
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I actually agree with Pete on this, the AHA have made the decision based on info currently available, charmouth is a key event,
so safety has to be taken seriously
I would be aiming the fireworks towards ripmax/futaba for not sorting this out clearly...

Matt

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03-06-2008 08:18 PM  10 years agoPost 28
dazzaster

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thanksyou very much for the spelling lesson the profile has now been corrected for your reading pleasure.

im not denying the AHA dissision for safety reasons i was just mythed as to why this was so after futaba had fixed the probelem.
im now very intrested into knowing what the new problem they have found could be that has caused the AHA to take these precautions. as a futaba owner i am very annoyed that there still a problem . if there is still a problem then i consider the radio unfit for its intended purpose and will be contacting ripmax/futaba to gain a full refund on all my radio gear that ive purchased to move over too 2.4 ghz. im not bothered if i have futab or jr as long as it works, and because of all the problems my current futaba system seems to be getting ill get my refund and change brands.
Darren
p.s if anyone knows what the new issues are could they please let us know instead of treating us like mushrooms (keeping us in the dark and feeding us on crap)

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03-06-2008 08:36 PM  10 years agoPost 29
4eye

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"Does he live with his head in the sand, does he not talk amongst fellow flyers?? You say he's your friend surely you let him know of the latest developments??"

So now we live with our "heads in the sand" if we don't scour the internet for the latest info? No I don't make it a point to keep him updated. If I remembered something while we were chatting I might bring it up but believe it or not, when we chat at the field we don't talk about RC helis and the latest safety issues exclusively. Our "fellow flyers" group consists of him and two other friends who show up only once in a while, and I. Not everyone flies in a big group. Forgive us for not being so hardcore and living with our heads in the sand.

No wait! I concede! it's my fault the radios are faulty and that my friend is not as informed as other professional informed modelers.

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03-06-2008 08:37 PM  10 years agoPost 30
MattJen

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Pete

I think what pilots want to know from reading the posts,is what is the issue ?
Becuase
Some have sent their TX's to be fixed, does this still mean there is a problem?

Ripmax should take all the flack and not the AHA,

Fortunatly i remain on the 35meg band, using a FF9 Super,and when you read of these issues i am glad to have stayed on it.

Matt

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03-06-2008 09:39 PM  10 years agoPost 31
Bond007

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p.s if anyone knows what the new issues are could they please let us know instead of treating us like mushrooms (keeping us in the dark and feeding us on crap)
Take this up with Ripmax, not the AHA. There is no point in 'throwing your teddies out of the cot' at an event organiser, whoever they are, for taking a reasonable safety precaution.

Have a look here on page 7 http://www.bmfa.org/clubs/bulletins/files/cb177.pdf

Give the BMFA a call tomorrow and get their advice. They will have the latest information. Or speak to your local Futaba dealer.

The AHA are just acting in a responsible and safety concious manner, due to all the confusion surrounding these radios.

Can't moan or blame them for that

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03-06-2008 11:07 PM  10 years agoPost 32
Droid

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Just in case anyone is under any illusion that this is an "anti-Futaba" restriction, we will also be refusing entry to transmitters known not to be EU compliant, such as the X9303.
Is this applicable to all bandwiths, 35mhz included?? Should be interesting.

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03-06-2008 11:14 PM  10 years agoPost 33
colsy

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Safety first.

Right thing to do, no doubt.
Just in case anyone is under any illusion that this is an "anti-Futaba" restriction, we will also be refusing entry to transmitters known not to be EU compliant, such as the X9303
Yup, iron out all the sneaky 'git's' that bought illegal tx's from overseas as-well.

right 'on'

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03-06-2008 11:17 PM  10 years agoPost 34
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Droid

if it does, then it will be a very quite Charmouth, cos that will affect every radio...

But my guess would be it will only affect those on the 2.4 gig,
the reason i think this, is due to the fact 2.4 does nt have a specific channel, hence the reason they can fly at a club with 35meg flyers..

If it does indeed affect us on the 35meg band, then were all screwed if anyone has one of these sets in the club that is prone to a re-set..

The BMFA according the link that one poster put up has furnished no further info but to warn club Secretaries and event co-ordinators..

As Bond said anyone who wants to have go should send the fireworks ripmax way...
I have to say, it really does not pay to get from abroad,

Matt

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03-06-2008 11:21 PM  10 years agoPost 35
Droid

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Matt, i actually meant imported 35meg gear....

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03-06-2008 11:23 PM  10 years agoPost 36
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Droid

AH i can breath a sigh of relief..

Thanks for clarifying that.

Matt

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03-06-2008 11:36 PM  10 years agoPost 37
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I am actually disgusted that the emphasis is placed more on a piece of equipment that is imported regardless of purchase origin, than the model itself assembled by a human being, some of which couldn't be trusted to put a MFI cupboard together by their own admission!!!

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03-06-2008 11:40 PM  10 years agoPost 38
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I am actually thinking of trying to organise a funfly in Cornwall at a fantastic 40 acre site with good access and camping on site. Criteria would be all radios would be welcome subject to Tx control but no Muppets on the end of them.......

........just for PJ

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03-07-2008 09:13 AM  10 years agoPost 39
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I don't believe there is any new "issues" with the Futaba 2.4ghz sets. The only problem is that apart from the 7C there isn't a permanent fix yet. Yes there are guidelines about the 5 second rule until there is a permanent fix rolled out.

However as stated earlier we have enough problems at Charmouth getting people to return pegs and such.. if there is a chance of a radio malfunctioning due to user error that will impact another fliers radio then precautions have to be taken.

The reason imported sets will not be allowed is because they are not covered by the BMFA's insurance.

Charmouth is supposed to be a fun event for everybody.. and the guys who organise it put in a lot of hard work with no reward. If you have a problem with them meeting their insurance requirements and trying to keep everybody safe then you're attending the wrong event.

This is a hobby and supposed to be a fun event for people to ENJOY. Please can we keep the thread on topic and take personal arguments offline.

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03-07-2008 11:19 AM  10 years agoPost 40
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I'm in the UK and I'm going to Charmouth this April. I am glad he AHA have introduced this extra saftey for the event. As far as checking peoples helis, it’s up to the individual to check the heli in accordance with the BMFA book and it’s up to the organisers to ensure adequate TX control is adopted, so no-one can complain about what the AHA is doing at the AHA event.

I use spektrum myself so I have no issues and I don’t count the 3.5v as an issue. The system is a 4.8v-6.0v receiver. If I run it at less than 4.8v I don’t expect it to work properly. If the voltage drops too much due to OVERLOADING THE BATTRY there are things you can do. You don’t try to run you television on a 10v supply do you.

If I had gone for a futaba set and it was later found to have a manufacturers fault, I would take it back and demand my money back. Forget the 5 second rule, you shouldn’t need to do this if the set was designed correctly.

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