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03-05-2008 07:06 PM  10 years agoPost 21
SSN Pru

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Let me start by saying that I have not seen the video, just read the article.

Although I agree with most of you, (I have 2 dogs at home) ALL of you have to understand that stray dogs in that country is reaching epidemic proportions. I was stationed in Northern Iraq (Mosul) for a year, and in that time frame we observed a small pack of dogs become a a huge pack and a menace to aircraft on the runway, vehicles and soldiers alike. Not counting the deseases that they could carry.

The veterinary services had no option than to shoot them collect them and burn them in a pit to try to prevent the spread of deseases. That is the final edstate.

So, I'm not defending the marine's actions, I'm just giving you guys a little background information of the situation.
I agree, it was that way when I was there. We even had a stray that the people in our company befriended. We called him General and he liked to hump your leg... they "the stray enforcement crew" came and took him away in the middle of the night...

Which leads me to...
Then they should be humanely killed by putting bullets through their heads.
Thats what they did to our general. As humane as it can get I suppose. Far from tossing an innocent puppy off a cliff for fun...

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03-05-2008 07:26 PM  10 years agoPost 22
OICU812

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Yea that was abit disturbing for sure, looks pretty authentic to me.

...Once upon a time there were Nitros, flybars and frequency pins...

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03-05-2008 07:39 PM  10 years agoPost 23
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What if the puppy did not die, but now laying there broken battered and cannot move, only feeling pain. Other animals will see this as a meal, further adding to the puppies pain before his demise.
Does not sit well>



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03-05-2008 08:01 PM  10 years agoPost 24
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What if the puppy did not die, but now laying there broken battered and cannot move, only feeling pain. Other animals will see this as a meal, further adding to the puppies pain before his demise.
Does not sit well>
Thats what I was thinking, very sad.

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03-05-2008 08:23 PM  10 years agoPost 25
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in a strange way, I'm glad the marine has the know-how to kill
Thats what they were trained for, that's the job they were meant to do, specifically, to kill (the enemy) without remorse and do what it takes to achieve victory. If you disagree with this, then perhaps we have the wrong people for the job.

Now it's questionable that the dog was an enemy. The fact that they were in Iraq, where the enemy is located (why else are we in iraq?) can justify that the animal was a munition of the enemy. Example, if you could take out an enemy's bomb depot, wouldn't it make sense to destroy that bomb depot and have no remorse?

(btw, the above was written as theapy after watching the video- I'll probably regret making this post. Makes me sick that we haven't achieved our objective of defeating the enemy to end this war and that the puppy yelped on-route. :mad

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03-05-2008 08:39 PM  10 years agoPost 26
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Hoagie1, either way, it was a cruel and senseless act upon an innocent animal by a sick individual. Now our adversaries can use this film against us by pointing out how cruel we really are. The whole thing PISSES ME OFF.

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03-05-2008 08:40 PM  10 years agoPost 27
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Now it's questionable that the dog was an enemy. The fact that they were in Iraq, where the enemy is located (why else are we in iraq?) can justify that the animal was a munition of the enemy.
If the dog was a munition or bomb transport for the enemy, the soldier would have to have a peanut for a brain to hold in in his hands, let alone joke, laugh and toss it the way he did.

... But honey it was only $$$

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03-05-2008 10:26 PM  10 years agoPost 28
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Makes a person wonder what atocities are going on over there that aren't video taped.

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03-05-2008 11:10 PM  10 years agoPost 29
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Makes a person wonder what atocities are going on over there that aren't video taped.
You can chill, this is a one off incident. Not an every day occurence. Thinking that way will take you nowhere fast.

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03-06-2008 12:27 AM  10 years agoPost 30
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Now it's questionable that the dog was an enemy
No! It's unquestionable that the PUPPY was not an enemy combatant.

You have just won the "Stupid RR Post of the Year" Award, Congratulations!

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03-06-2008 12:32 AM  10 years agoPost 31
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You can chill, this is a one off incident. Not an every day occurence. Thinking that way will take you nowhere fast.

Rafael
One off incident like this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ON--sJSra0

And this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vl5yjkuInIo

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03-06-2008 01:42 AM  10 years agoPost 32
rcstickman

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Ok, I was sick after seeing the puppy tossed over the cliff. Now I'm really disturbed

I know these guys are under alot of stress over there but there is "NEVER", under "ANY CIRCUMSTANCES",a reason that defensless animals should be treated that way. If they have to humanely destroy animals that's one thing. Torture is quite another. Seeming to enjoy it is even more disturbing.

Sad, Sad day.

Don't blame me, I did'nt vote for him.

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03-06-2008 01:53 AM  10 years agoPost 33
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What sickening examples of the dark side of human nature. It's appalling that soldiers from any country could be so cruel towards innocent animals -- but that they're American soldiers is especially disturbing.

Horrifying as these revelations are, it's at least good that modern technology enables these stories and those clips to quickly spread far and wide -- there's no escaping the microscope of the web. Hopefully all the right folks will see these disturbing clips and take appropriate action soon.

Excuse me while I go vomit -- again.

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03-06-2008 01:57 AM  10 years agoPost 34
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torturing animals is one step towards torture and mistreatment of humans...

I saw many stray dogs and cats over there. I once had a small kitten follow me around my barracks there. It sucked that I couldn't shelter it and feed it. I could never fathom intentionally hurting any of the strays there.

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03-06-2008 02:06 AM  10 years agoPost 35
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and our presence there is supposed to show Iraqis what it takes to be "civilized"??...

so what if the canine population over there is out of control?? it doesn't give them the right to torture, torment, or inhumanely destroy them.. a few on this thread have already said it themselves... mistreating animals is a precursor to harming human beings... so if we want this violence in the middle east to end, how in the hell is this supposed to help us do that?

don't get me wrong... I'm not saying that by treating the strays humanely it'll end all the violence and totally changed the messed up mentalities of the radicals... but it certainly isn't helping the situation.

what scares me the most is that these incidents are likely only a few of many that occur over there.. I'd like to think these incidents are isolated, but until the puppy incident, how many of these guys have been reprimanded? watch those videos.... how many of their peers tell them to stop?? more importantly, how many of their peers join in on the fun?

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03-06-2008 02:35 AM  10 years agoPost 36
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The problem with this, besides the abuse itself, is that this small handful of people just caused a very large group to be painted in a negative light by those already looking for any reason at all to do so and gives a propaganda tool to the enemy. That should be a good reason why the military will want to make an example out of them.

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03-06-2008 07:04 AM  10 years agoPost 37
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thats a very good point too.

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03-06-2008 12:50 PM  10 years agoPost 38
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What a scumbag!!!!!!!!!!!

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03-06-2008 05:56 PM  10 years agoPost 39
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hmm
Being a Marine one time it sickens me to see this. I agree that they should be made example of. It hurts almost in every way in a negative light. I hope physically the individuals find new levels of pain from old Marine corps I.T. methods along with punishmetnt.

Bottom line is this is not at the level of any Marine to be doing this crap regardless of dog population and stress of combat.

-Cody

If you want others to be happy, practice compassion. If you want to be happy, practice compassion.

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03-07-2008 01:37 PM  10 years agoPost 40
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part of being a Marine, or any member of the armed forces, is that you are held to a higher standard than the general public.... unfortunately this guy didn't live up to that standard.

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