RunRyder RC
 1  Topic Subscribe
WATCH
 1 page 535 views POST REPLY
HomeOff Topics › Obama thinks infanticide is OK
03-05-2008 03:01 PM  10 years agoPost 1
Sig Dawg

rrApprentice

Yorkton, Sask., Canada

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

http://www.eppc.org/publications/pu.../pub_detail.asp

I know alot of people don't do very much research on who they are voting for, and they simply vote based on the campaign speeches etc. I wonder if he'll include this info in his campaign to let people know what kind of person they are really voting for?

Here's the important parts from the link

That bill was the Born Alive Infants Protection Act. During the partial-birth abortion debate, Congress heard testimony about babies that had survived attempted late-term abortions. Nurses testified that these preterm living, breathing babies were being thrown into medical waste bins to die or being "terminated" outside the womb. With the baby now completely separated from the mother, it was impossible to argue that the health or life of the mother was in jeopardy by giving her baby appropriate medical treatment.

The act simply prohibited the killing of a baby born alive. To address the concerns of pro-choice lawmakers, the bill included language that said nothing "shall be construed to affirm, deny, expand or contract any legal status or legal right" of the baby. In other words, the bill wasn't intruding on Roe v. Wade.

Who would oppose a bill that said you couldn't kill a baby who was born? Not Kennedy, Boxer or Hillary Rodham Clinton. Not even the hard-core National Abortion Rights Action League (NARAL). Obama, however, is another story. The year after the Born Alive Infants Protection Act became federal law in 2002, identical language was considered in a committee of the Illinois Senate. It was defeated with the committee's chairman, Obama, leading the opposition.

Let's be clear about what Obama did, once in 2003 and twice before that. He effectively voted for infanticide. He voted to allow doctors to deny medically appropriate treatment or, worse yet, actively kill a completely delivered living baby. Infanticide - I wonder if he'll add this to the list of changes in his next victory speech and if the crowd will roar: "Yes, we can."

How could someone possibly justify such a vote? In March 2001, Obama was the sole speaker in opposition to the bill on the floor of the Illinois Senate. He said: "We're saying they are persons entitled to the kinds of protections provided to a child, a 9-month child delivered to term. I mean, it would essentially bar abortions, because the equal-protection clause does not allow somebody to kill a child." So according to Obama, "they," babies who survive abortions or any other preterm newborns, should be permitted to be killed because giving legal protection to preterm newborns would have the effect of banning all abortions.

Jason

PM  EMAIL  Attn:RR  Quote
03-05-2008 03:23 PM  10 years agoPost 2
derek533

rrApprentice

Edmond, Oklahoma

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

Sickening isn't it?

I look at my now 21 month old son and all the joy and pure innocence he has, and it makes me really sad that we are committing legalized murder in this country on a daily basis.

PM  EMAIL  Attn:RR  Quote
03-05-2008 03:33 PM  10 years agoPost 3
1stPlace

rrApprentice

Ohio USA

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

The nonpartisan National Journal, for example, recently rated Obama the Senate's most liberal member. That's besting some tough competition from orthodox liberals such as Ted Kennedy and Barbara Boxer.
Vote McCain or stay home!

Diejenigen, die nicht lernen aus den Fehlern der Vergangenheit bestimmt sind, zu wiederholen.

PM  EMAIL  HOMEPAGE  GALLERY  Attn:RR  Quote
03-05-2008 05:58 PM  10 years agoPost 4
Furious Predator

rrProfessor

Kitchener, Ontario, Canada

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

is it just me, or do these types of issues never really seem to come up in Canada. not saying canadian politians are not morons, but they do seem to have some level of morals and ethics, while most people running for president do not...or seem to. just something i have noticed.

Shawn
Team Leisure-Tech
Team HelixRC

PM  EMAIL  HOMEPAGE  GALLERY  Attn:RR  Quote
03-05-2008 07:51 PM  10 years agoPost 5
Sig Dawg

rrApprentice

Yorkton, Sask., Canada

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

I'm not sure why this doesn't come up as much in Canada. I'm wondering if it is because we seem to be more politcal party oriented instead of individual/president oriented. It is funny though because our prime minister actually has more political power in our system than the president has in the US system.

My wife's mother is very heavy into pro life, and the information she sends us is just sickening. Canada does have more liberal abortion laws than the US. It is legal here to abort a baby at 8 months, and usually the doctors end up having to kill the baby after it has been aborted since it is developed enough to live on it's own.

It is ok for doctors in Canada to give all the info they want to a patient about abortion, but they are not supposed to give them the information about how developed thier baby is, and the pro life information. I think if you want to have an abortion you should have to have an ultrasound first just so you can see what you are doing. Seeing my daughters ultrasound at 10 weeks was simply amazing, she was basically fully formed, and looked like a very little person.

Jason

PM  EMAIL  Attn:RR  Quote
03-05-2008 08:09 PM  10 years agoPost 6
TwistedRotor

rrApprentice

Yup

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

Isn't part of the doctors hypocritical oath to "Do No Harm"?

PM  EMAIL  GALLERY  Attn:RR  Quote
WATCH
 1 page 535 views POST REPLY
HomeOff Topics › Obama thinks infanticide is OK
 Print TOPIC  Make Suggestion 

 1  Topic Subscribe

Tuesday, June 19 - 11:20 pm - Copyright © 2000-2018 RunRyder   EMAILEnable Cookies

Login Here
 New Subscriptions 
 Buddies Online