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03-05-2008 10:59 AM  10 years agoPost 1
KarbonBird

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The new Sony HDR-HC9 has been released which promises to be an upgrade on the old favourites - the HC-3, HC-5 and most recently the HC-7.

Still retails the tape storage and shoots in HD and it looks to be quite a nice camera for AP...

Review: http://www.camcorderinfo.com/conten...eview-34562.htm

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03-05-2008 05:28 PM  10 years agoPost 2
mrlove

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but you said hc7 is not good..maybe hc9 will work for ap?

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03-05-2008 05:33 PM  10 years agoPost 3
efliernz

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So Karbon... where is the flight test ???

If quality isn't really improved, I think I'll still shop for a HC5 to fly with... It seems a waste to buy a camera with all sorts of extras that your fingers can't reach 'cause the cam is at 200'...

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03-05-2008 09:21 PM  10 years agoPost 4
AceBird

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It seems a waste to buy a camera with all sorts of extras that your fingers can't reach 'cause the cam is at 200'...
Now you are beginning to think like me. Use an industrial type camera that is nothing more than a box with a screw mount for the lens, a CCD or a three chip CCD if you desire with internal firmware to jam the digital data onto a thumb drive. Then process the data later, on the ground in a laptop or a desk top to your liking. No buttons no nothing and I can’t see why you can’t use the same rig for video or stills. What is the difference between a video CCD and a still CCD? Nothing that I am aware of.

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03-06-2008 12:07 AM  10 years agoPost 5
KarbonBird

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old favourites - the HC-3, HC-5
Just to clarify - the reference to "old favourites" is based on the feedback from others who have indicated some success with these cameras.

Whilst the term is used loosely, it highlights that these cameras remain a popular choice for AP activities as has been reported in this and other forums for a while now.

My findings with the HV-20 and the HC-7, whilst not conclusive, found both to be unsuitable primarily due to the inherrent issue of "wavy footage" and the susceptibility to vibrations of these cameras (See references to CMOS etc). I left the door open for others to disprove my findings - which to some extent has occurred with the HC range.

So, the HC-9 was the next one in the family for those that are interested. It won't be on my shopping list and my post was not a recommendation to purchase this product.

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03-06-2008 01:33 AM  10 years agoPost 6
FCM

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Thanks for posting. I think I will buy it as I love the shiny black finish

At least it is tape based. The comments on the review seem to think that tape is on the way out - not yet I hope

Ace, surveillance cameras are for surveillance, movie camera are to make movies. The chip technology whether CCD or MOS or CMOS is ever changing and being improved and is only a part of the total make up of a camcorder's functionality and image quality.

Can you image selling footage to a Production House shot with a surveillance camera

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03-06-2008 05:50 PM  10 years agoPost 7
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Can you image selling footage to a Production House shot with a surveillance camera
I don’t think a Production House cares how the video was obtained. They are looking for content and quality and that certainly is possible with a box type camera without all the buttons all over the case.

This is a 3CCD camera that fits in the palm of your hand. I would guess that it is capable of taking better video than anything you have put on your heli. It does come with a healthy price tag (so do Production House cameras) but it is for medical use and autoclavable which jacks the price up. The camera alone only weighs 6.5 oz. Wouldn’t it be nice to have a camera of this quality for AP use? I wouldn’t do the test but I am sure you could drop it from 100 ft on soft turf it won't hurt it either (crash survivable).

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03-07-2008 01:34 AM  10 years agoPost 8
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I don’t think a Production House cares how the video was obtained
Yes they do.
This is a 3CCD camera that fits in the palm of your hand. I would guess that it is capable of taking better video than anything you have put on your heli.
Not on its own it isn't. The lens and sensors are only part of the story.
The camera alone only weighs 6.5 oz.
That fact in itself would be a problem.

I am sure it is very robust and crash resistant so if you could hook it up to record something then it may work great as a surveillenace cam for a drone.

Paul.

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03-15-2008 05:09 PM  10 years agoPost 9
meflyjeep

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What about the new Sony HDD variants SR11 & 12 ...HD resolution on video and 10.2mP on still? It would be nice to have one platform for both still and video capabilities replacing my D1/D200 with video downlink. I know that many say that the tape medium is still the best for video, but the ease and time-savings of not downloading the images in real time seems like an advantage. I have been told that there is a company that will soon market a release which allows on/off, still, and zoom capabilities.

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03-15-2008 07:22 PM  10 years agoPost 10
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I know that many say that the tape medium is still the best for video,
Memory chip is best ... no moving parts, fastest, lightest and most reliable and not too costly for short clips.

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03-15-2008 07:27 PM  10 years agoPost 11
meflyjeep

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The 11/12 allow up to 8gb on the memory slot as well ... afaik ... I have the camera.... just have not broken the seal on the box (14-day return priv) awaiting notice that the circuit board is available and functional with this model videocam.

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03-15-2008 08:03 PM  10 years agoPost 12
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I'm seeing hard disc drive and 5.08mp on stills. That is not chip memory. You are also limited by not having changable lenses, and not a wide band on shutter speed. Hard drives are not a good option for a helis because of vibration.

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03-16-2008 04:20 AM  10 years agoPost 13
meflyjeep

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Hmmmmm ... I guess that I do not understand what you mean, then, by chip memory. The multiuse memory stick that I have for the Sony camera appears to be of the same function as the CF card is for my D1 and D200 - for stills ??? The video and still captures can be assigned to either the HDD or memory stick. The 21/24/28mm fixed focal lengths on the D1 seem to have worked great for AP, but then so does the zoom range on the camcorder... for those rare tele shots from the bird as well as the usual WA.

Please help me understand your chip memory point as the camcorder may still be returned for credit if it is not suitable. This video stuff is all new to me ... but I feel that the HDD is a better option than the tape mech ... I can tape or miniDVD from the downlink.

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03-16-2008 02:27 PM  10 years agoPost 14
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The video and still captures can be assigned to either the HDD or memory stick.
Yes, memory stick and chip memory are the same.
I didn't see any mention of the memory stick on the webpage that I saw. When you use the memory stick is the hard drive turned off? If it has to stay on it is possible that damage can still occur due to the vibrations. There are several posts about tape being a better option than a hard drive for video cams. Do a search.

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03-16-2008 04:44 PM  10 years agoPost 15
FCM

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Please help me understand your chip memory point as the camcorder may still be returned for credit if it is not suitable. This video stuff is all new to me ... but I feel that the HDD is a better option than the tape mech ... I can tape or miniDVD from the downlink.
Tape is great. Even HD tape uses far less compression than the AHDC(?) memory stick. A hard drive recorder is as Ace says, going to have a real hard time being flown and bumped around on a helicopter. These are the reasons we all love tape for video. The exception that I am aware of is the P2 card Panasonic cams which write directly to a propriotary memory card. You will also be hard pressed to get good quality DV from your downlink unless you are using a seriously good downlink system.

The golden rule that as far as I am aware still stands is: Use a video cam for video and use a still cam for stills - they are different.

Paul.

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03-17-2008 06:27 PM  10 years agoPost 16
meflyjeep

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Thanks for sharing your experiences ...

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