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03-04-2008 06:10 PM  10 years agoPost 1
Dilbeck

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OK been flying for 8 months and have got it down pretty good except one thing, nose in flight coming at me. Its not the pitch up or down but the roll left to right that gets me. This is the only thing that caused my last 2 crashes. I don't even have a problem with fff with its side to me. Question is do you guys have a certain way in your brain thinking to help with this? I mean i use the (if its coming at me move the stick the same way its leaning) but for some reason i get flustered and botch it. Now I'm so scared that i only come nose in if I'm at least 40 feet off the ground. I would like to learn some way so i could feel safe to come in 1 foot off the ground nose in. Any suggestions on training? I have worked the sim and have no problems but in real flight i loose it....Clint.

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03-04-2008 06:15 PM  10 years agoPost 2
VKGT

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Buy a sim! Best money you'll ever spend in this hobby. Learn to nose-in without the added bill of crashing your heli.

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03-04-2008 06:17 PM  10 years agoPost 3
Dilbeck

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dhollein, thanks, did you read the last sentence in my post? Have a sim and have had one from the start.

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03-04-2008 06:25 PM  10 years agoPost 4
SteveH

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Have a sim and have had one from the start.
Spend more time on it priacticing nose-in, or go out and fly, crash, and rebuild.

The government cannot give you anything without first taking it from someone else.

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03-04-2008 06:26 PM  10 years agoPost 5
Matt-Drummer

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Put your training gear on and start from the ground up nose in, that's how I did it, its easy once you are happy on the simulator.

Also, an old fixed wing thing, when the plane is coming towards you push the stick under the low wing to pick it up, the same applies to the helicopter, just push your stick to the low side of the disk to `pick it up'.

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03-04-2008 06:29 PM  10 years agoPost 6
Drunk Monk

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Practice practice and practice and always have your escape route planned. Practice flying towards yourself more and more by doing figures of 8's. You'll soon get used to seeing it from the front.


Stephen

I only open my mouth to change feet.....

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03-04-2008 06:30 PM  10 years agoPost 7
Dakine

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1st option: Buddy box.

2nd option: Practice nose in higher!

3rd option: Tell your brain, when you lose it, push full left thumb until nose out. DO NOT GIVE IT input with right stick until you whip the tail around. You've got to set this as a rule in your brain before your practice flight. Think....full rudder...full rudder...when you lose it and have that tail come around. The worse thing you could do is start giving it input with the right stick when you haven't got the right orientation of the heli. Get that tail around!

Altitude is your friend.

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03-04-2008 06:37 PM  10 years agoPost 8
Dilbeck

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Thanks Matt-drummer, that is a big help (push the wing up thought process) I thought i was way beyond the training gear thing but makes good sence to go back to it at low hover where I'm having the problem. I think its the low hover thing where i do not have an escape route and get flustered and over react. As for other flying i feel very confident and therefore have no problems.

Clint

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03-04-2008 06:40 PM  10 years agoPost 9
fr8brkr

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The rudder is your friend indeed. I too have been flying for just shy of a year and have the same frustration with nose. I keep it at 50 feet agl and just keep practicing. My bail out is full rudder ASAP to get back to tail in - just a few weeks ago I could hover nose in for only 15-20 seconds without having to bail -- with persistence I am now hovering for a minute or longer and beginning to transition into FF from nose in to left and right banking turns. The sim has helped but it just all takes on a different perspective when the chopper is staring you down and blades whirling around at 2100rpm. Good luck with your progress.

Problems ? -- Mine are flown in fresh daily

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03-04-2008 06:50 PM  10 years agoPost 10
Dilbeck

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Thanks everyone, I'm getting some really useful feedback. At higher altitudes i can manage the nose in no problem but for some reason when i get it close or in a low hover i just freak and forget where I'm at. Even on the sim have little or no trouble. Think its back to training gear nose in because thats where im having the problem

Clint

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03-04-2008 06:57 PM  10 years agoPost 11
bigdad390

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dhollein, thanks, did you read the last sentence in my post? Have a sim and have had one from the start.
I have been flying off and on since the mid 80's and fly pretty well. However when I get on a sim, I crash. To me, the sim and real flight just arn't the same. Different orientation I think. The best bet is a "buddy box" or fly a little higher than you currently are.

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03-04-2008 06:59 PM  10 years agoPost 12
fla heli boy

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well...
just from my experience, I started up HIGH and then SLOWLY would work my altitude lower and lower and yes - rudder is your best friend here!!). It takes time and in my estimation low altitude nose in flying is THE TOUGHEST!!! Just a lot of patience and unfortantely a few trips to the LHS. For me, once the gear came off, I NEVER put them on again. I think it makes it EASIER for a tip/boom strike. Just my 2 cents.

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03-04-2008 07:20 PM  10 years agoPost 13
Sam2b

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I promote the system of practicing 90 degree piro movements, and working your way to briefly pointing the nose in, and then pointing the nose out. Then gradually extend the duration of nose in.

I've created a document here:
http://sam2b.myvnc.com/pages/core_fundamentals.htm

_Sam B_

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03-04-2008 07:57 PM  10 years agoPost 14
Dave M

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You could always turn around and look over your shoulder.

It's OK....It's not your fault !!!

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03-04-2008 08:36 PM  10 years agoPost 15
Dilbeck

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That's funny Ive actually been doing that!!!

Clint

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03-04-2008 10:09 PM  10 years agoPost 16
mrich_30047

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Dilbeck:

I you will fly as thou you are in the aircraft you will never have orientation problems.

I was taught this over 40 years ago flying fixed wing RC.

Good luck!!!!!!

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03-04-2008 10:23 PM  10 years agoPost 17
Ed1955

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White Blades and Fly the Disc.......
If you fly nose in with white blades, when the disc leans left, push the right stick left, when it leans right push the stick right, when it leans forward push the stick forward and the same with backwards, push the stick backwards. Do this at a reasonable altitude and you'll have your bail out time if needed. You'll also learn that a little is quite a bit although I find that when ever I get nose in on the sim, I get over reactive and that's something I have to work on.
Respectfully,
Ed

Progression of Addiction, CX2, T-Rex 450's (2) & finally a T-Rex 600E, Electric Bliss!

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03-04-2008 10:30 PM  10 years agoPost 18
Bond007

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My 2 cents...

Slow figure eights with the crossover directly in front of you, and lots of pirouette practise, making the pirouettes slower and slower as your confidence increases and it becomes more 2nd nature without thinking about it.

Do this at a comfortable height that leaves plenty of room for a mistake (or 2) then bring it lower.

Do this left and right so you don't get handed.

Sean

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03-04-2008 10:34 PM  10 years agoPost 19
tamuco

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I say you just have to go for it and stay low to the ground. That is how I have done it I would make a quick turn from tail in to nose in keeping it low to the ground. If I felt like I was losing it I would land.

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03-04-2008 11:38 PM  10 years agoPost 20
kurtk

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Just as Matt said, I learned nose-in by thinking of pushing the stick under the point of the rotor disk to "push up"... So if I want to raise the right side of the rotor disk while nose-in, push the stick right... To raise the front (edge toward me) pull right stick back... and so on.

After a little bit of this mental exercise, it becomes second nature and I no longer think about stick movements, but this little trick got me through the initial nose in transition.

Actually, this is the way my instructor taught me when I was a kid to handle the roll axis on airplanes when flying towards myself. He said to push the stick under the wing you want to raise. Same thing just happens to work on 2 axis.

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