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03-08-2008 01:13 AM  10 years agoPost 21
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Best investment...paying your internet bill every month for these guys online!

I would say going through this forum and reading what people are using. Seeing what works and doesn't work.
Going from ground zero - radio that will fulfill all you want it to do without go nuts trying to figure out how to utilize all the little ad ons...HC or AP2000i, shutter trigger, pan and tilt servos and instrumentation to start out with.
My thoughts anyway

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03-08-2008 01:15 AM  10 years agoPost 22
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noobs...I didn't read about the night-looping! How did you find the pieces? lol

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03-08-2008 02:13 AM  10 years agoPost 23
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03-08-2008 02:17 AM  10 years agoPost 24
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Noobs...you have to get some "glow-in-the-dark" paint!

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03-09-2008 11:58 PM  10 years agoPost 25
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hi guys im new here and i wes wondering .is it normal for the servos to move or make a clicking sound when you have a helicommand,ive just set it all up and its working ok, it just soundes like the servos are active

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03-10-2008 12:30 AM  10 years agoPost 26
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Is your gain off? The servos move a little.

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03-10-2008 12:37 AM  10 years agoPost 27
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is my gain off im sorry not sure what you meen, ive only had it two days so not fully up to speed with it yet,what or how much wold you say it should be & thanks for the help

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03-10-2008 04:59 AM  10 years agoPost 28
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Hi Jimheli,
Let me ask you without any intention to give offense, but what is your level of experience?
It is normal for the servos to make noise and small adjustments, but as rrazor said what is your GAIN setting at?

Gain
Usually a term associated with gyros, it describes the sensitivity of the gyro. Too much gain causes the tail to wag back and forth, while too little gain won't hold the tail steady.

In the case of your HC, check out page 29 of the manual.
What radio are you using?
On the radio, how do you have the adjustments linked to what controls?

If your noob like we all were at some point, this website has a lot of good info for setting up the controls. It sounds like you are already setup and almost ready to go.
http://www.raptortechnique.com/index.html

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03-10-2008 12:28 PM  10 years agoPost 29
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hi
Seablade my tx is JR PCM 9 X , all settings on tx are default trims centerd swash servo is set to one servo type .its all working , every thing going in the right direction pilot chanele on 3 way switch all e-ccpm settings have been set useing HELICOMMAND SOFTWARE , so when i turn on tx & heli ,i can hear the servos cliking if i put a finger on each one their moveing only very slightly so i wonder is that normal when you use the HELICOMMAND, or have i got a problem cheers for the link , so what do you think

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03-10-2008 12:35 PM  10 years agoPost 30
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Seablade sorry ,i forgot to say yes i am new to heli. but i did fly planks before so as my old man says your never to old to learn im not useing helicommand for the tail as i have futaba 401 already on the heli.

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03-10-2008 01:32 PM  10 years agoPost 31
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Mine does the same thing, small minor corrections which I have attributed to the fact that the table I'm working on is always moving. (I live on a boat so it is always rocking back and forth.)
My gain is set where it needs to be as the heli flys great with no unknown movements. I've tried adjusting my gain and it hasn't made a difference on mine.
Maybe some others can say if this is normal?

A quick way to check if your connections and adjustments are where they should be is having the radio on and with the heli on a table just lift the tail and watch the swashplate. Tilt it to both sides, the swashplate should always react in the opposite direction your tilting the heli as it is correcting for the tilt.

Have fun! Just remember that the HC will stabilize your heli, it will not fly it so you are the one in control. It also does not slow the heli down quickly if you take your fingers off the sticks while your in forward flight. It just goes to a neutral hovering settings but you still have forward (or rearward) momentum so if something is close in front of you your going to hit it. You have to correct it's direction of flight to get to a hover.
Just go slow and practice and learn how it feels.
Let us know how it works for you.

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03-10-2008 01:56 PM  10 years agoPost 32
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thanks for your help, yes i have done as you said, when i had it set up. every thing works well, & pc makes it a lote easer to setup,we have heavy winds here to day, so cant get her out today.the movement on the servos is very small with the heli hear on the table ,but seems to maintaine a level swash,so you have put my mind to rest, if you have found it to be the same with yours to,as i thought i had got something wrong that was giveing interfearance,BTW ,i have a pease of wire fixed to the boon then to the motor & mount & on to the BLACK WIRE ,of ESC to take away any statice produced by the tail drive belt. as the rest of the heli is plastic would you say i have done the job correct, or if not can you recommend somthing i may have overlooked regards jim

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03-10-2008 04:03 PM  10 years agoPost 33
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Just a thought, I noticed that when the radio is on my truck tail gate and the heli is there also I get the movement. If I move the radio 5 or more feet away or put the heli on the ground then the movement seems to stop. IMHO it is just that the two are too close together. Prior to installing the HC mine did not have any movement when it was on the tail gate so I am thinking it is just an undocumented feature of the HC.

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03-10-2008 04:22 PM  10 years agoPost 34
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hi Lejon i have just done same thing hopeing,for my HC to be the same case.but now with heli in kitchen & tx in the hallway the servos still cliking & thats at around 30 feet ,& no matter wote mode helicammand is in , so im a bit reluctent to fly the heli as im still, now not sure if its just normal for helicammand or a problem jim

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03-10-2008 06:21 PM  10 years agoPost 35
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getting some bells and whistles in my head!
What brand ESC and heli, motor etc.
better yet send a photo of it. give us all the info you can!

Not crazy about connecting to the black wire of the ESC, isn't that carrying voltage?
On the boom-bare wire in contact with bare metal or clean CF on the boom itself, not to a mount bolt.

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03-10-2008 06:48 PM  10 years agoPost 36
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Seablade yes of corse you are righ, blackwire is on esc wich is - for the battery, heli [ thundertiger mini titon E 325 ] [SPEED CONTROLER IS ACE RC BLC 40] [ MOTOR IS OBL 29/35 BRUSHLESS TYPE ] & yes i have sanded a spot on the heli boom for good contact. O i have the wire clamped under the tail servo mount witch is plastic . hope this gives you a bite of an idea .jim

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03-10-2008 06:53 PM  10 years agoPost 37
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Seablade the black wire is the - for the battery & the red is the + so i thought that the pease fo wire from the boom to the motor plate then to - on esc batt connection wood be ok

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03-10-2008 07:12 PM  10 years agoPost 38
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I'm not familar with that ESC and right now I'm up to the last hair on my head in working on the AC system.
Can you look up data on it on the web, my connections is swinging in and out every time the boat moves!

take your tail rotor belt and spray it with WD-40 to reduce the static electricity. it helps a lot.

distance the HC and servo wiring from the ESC if you have room on the heli.

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03-10-2008 07:22 PM  10 years agoPost 39
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Seablade no problem , thanks for trying regards jimWD-40 to reduce the static ill do that, ESC is about 8 inches away lol

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03-11-2008 10:07 AM  10 years agoPost 40
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i think this answers the problem Minor servo jitter, major servo jitter

One effect of the auto-pilot is to cause the servos to be just perceptibly “nervous” (constant minor movements) even when the model is stationary - this applies in particular if you are using high-speed digital servos. The movement is a response to minor fluctuations in measured values, as frequently occur with conventional tail gyros and tail rotor servos.

However, when you are using a HeliCommand the constant movement affects four servos, and this can certainly increase the current drain of the receiver battery very considerably. However, in practice this mainly occurs when the model is flying, when all the “regulated” servos are operating almost continuously in any case; they certainly operate more often than they would if “manually controlled” by an average pilot. Incidentally, this “extra workload” is present whether you notice the fluctuations on the ground or not; it’s just that you don’t hear the servos working when the model is in the air. In fact the degree to which the servos have to “work hard” depends much more on the level at which the regulatory system is working in the air, and on the gain setting, i.e. whether the HeliCommand is set towards the “agile” or “smooth” end of the scale.

It is not really significant if the servos appear to be working slightly more than usual when the helicopter is on the ground.

None of this applies if you suffer severe servo jitter.

The cause for this may be that the internal fail-safe is over-responsive (“too sharp” - this was the case with the first few examples shipped). With many RC systems, and with certain combinations of equipment, the fail-safe then thinks it has detected interference to the radio link, even though the RC system is working perfectly; it may then switch the servos to the set fail-safe positions for a brief period. If this happens with your HeliCommand, it is essential to have the unit updated (at no charge). A direct express service has been set up by the manufacturer to correct this specific fault. The only devices affected are those whose type placard does not bear a two-character data code to the left of the Order Number.

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