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HomeAircraftHelicopterAlignOther › Is it me or has Align really overtaken the Raptors as having the better helis?
03-06-2008 09:33 PM  10 years agoPost 101
Matt-Drummer

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But there are many great helis out there in the 50 class
I'm not being argumentitive, but which ones?

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03-06-2008 09:38 PM  10 years agoPost 102
dvdking

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OK when it was Raptor at the field it was what's popular so every one was flying raptors now that 600n is out now it is Align that is popular. At any field you will see what is popular these days . Ok let get one thing straight weather it's Align or Raptor they all fly but these days people buy what's popluar at the flying fields. In choosing a heli it is your preference in what you want fly not what is popluar at the field.But when a new heli comes out every one wants it because it is popular heli. I say get what you want not because every one is flying it.

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03-06-2008 09:39 PM  10 years agoPost 103
RCHeliJim

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I personally think any of the following can do more than most pilots can give them:

- Raptor
- Evo
- Pantera
- Hurrican
- Xtreme
- 600N

I didnt list the Knight or Vibe 50 simply because I have never flown them, but from what I read I am sure they would be on the list as well. I am sure I missed some as well.

In the electrics, there are quite a few as well, but you ge the point..

Anyway, no matter what you are looking for, at least one of the models above should suffice. I think the next gen of helis will probably come flybarless from factory, or at least be an option that way.
Ok let get one thing straight weather it's Align or Raptor they all fly but these days people buy what's popluar at the flying fields.
Definitely not true for everyone. I am the only Xtreme owner in my club, was the only Hurrican owner, and the only Pantera owner. I was also the only 600N owner for a little while... I enjoy building and flying helis equally, so I am always trying a new one when time and funds allow. My "to try" list has the Vibe and Knight 3D at the top right now, but it may be next season before my funds recover for those



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03-06-2008 09:44 PM  10 years agoPost 104
tchavei

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Ok let get one thing straight weather it's Align or Raptor they all fly but these days people buy what's popluar at the flying fields.
I try to fly something nobody else has. When the field was full of raptors, I got a freya and an evo. When the field suddently moved to evo's, I got a 600N. Now 600N are showing up more and more and I'm into a vibe... jeez won't they stop harrasing me?

Tony


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03-06-2008 10:07 PM  10 years agoPost 105
RonHill

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Matt-Drummer
Well said, clearly communicated, no bashing...Who let you on here?

Heli choice is a personal preference. My right choice does not make your right choice wrong.

I guess my issues is how people who have not owned a heli have such strong opinions about it based off of such limited data. Or as RCHeliJim said, "Also, someones opinion on a heli they have not owned is only a repeat of other's opinions."

If someone does not like the <insert model here>...Cool. If someone LOVES the <insert model here>...Great. What I don't get is bashing a model that you never have owned.

I had the first 600N in my area. I got it because I wanted more performance than my EVO...More importantly I wanted some DIFFERENT than what I already had. I was not disappointed and the Evo was sold. If someone thinks the <insert model here> is the best...Then good for them.

The thing I find most funny is that the Raptor was clearly king for a while. It was less expensive and many people thought it flew better than what was available. Now another company is doing the SAME thing.

Really it all comes down to that Align has produced a machine that has the features that people want and at a price that people are willing to pay. The parts support is fantastic and it flies good.

I look forward to the competition. The Vibe 50 looks nice, the weight and cost are factors to be considered. The Knight 3D and RJX extreme have promise but since I have never even seen one fly I doubt I will be the first on the block since there is no local support.

Don't get me wrong...If TT or Hirobo or anyone else makes a heli that I think is better and has local support, I will be flying it. I don't get parts nor pay from any heli manufacturer so why would I be loyal to them? I fly what I like.

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03-08-2008 02:40 PM  10 years agoPost 106
Texmech

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Call me ignorant, noob, or whatever, but somebody said 5 pages back or so that "couldn't you slap a 600N head on a raptor and make it fly better?" Taking the CCPM factor out, wouldn't that solve all your problems with the Raptor?
And what about the weight factor? All I heard was the thrust to weight ratio was huge. So I weighed them. My stock Rap50SE is lighter than my buddies "G-forced" 600N by 2oz.

Good judgment comes from experience. Unfortunately, experience usually comes from bad judgment.

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03-08-2008 04:14 PM  10 years agoPost 107
rexxigpilot

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Good point Texmech! I did some weighing of my 50 class helis the other day. My Raptor 50SE/titan, T-rex 600N and 600E were all within a couple of ounces of each other. The 600E is the lightest, especially with a smaller (4350 mAh) battery.

IMO, the impression that Align's T-rexes are surpassing Thunder Tiger's Raptors is mostly due to Aligns prevalence at local flying fields and competitions, and consequently their availibility at your LHS. They are/were the next new best thing.

When someone new to the addiction (we all know this is not just a hobby) moves up from small electrics or gets their first large heli, they tend to buy what most others at their club have. This will also tend to be what is readily available at the LHS (if the shop keeper is smart anyway). Gee, I wonder why there are so many T-rexes.

We may be about to see a changing of the guard so to speak. The old guards, the T-rex 450's and 600's, are about to be upstaged by the newer products coming out now like the MA Bandit, MA Razor 50 and the JR Vibe 50. As soon as the top pilots start winning competitions with these newer models (already happening with the Bandit)you will see a bunch of us addicts (I mean hobbyist) rush out to buy the next new best thing on the market - or at least whatever the pros are currently flying.

Personally, I'm at the point where I don't want to fly what everyone else flies. I don't need the help of my club's collective experience with setting up a heli anymore. With that said, I can't wait to get my Vibe 50 (on backorder order) and Bandit (on waiting list). Remember, dinosaurs went extinct once, they probably will again.

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03-08-2008 05:10 PM  10 years agoPost 108
Shoego Heli

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When I was new to helis I got the Trex 450 and then the Raptors. Why? because they were popular and parts were easily found at the hobby stores nearby. As a beginner you really don't know what flies better or not, but what is important at the moment is that there is someone nearby who can help you with setup and a reference on how your heli should fly. I remember asking others what the lengths of the links should be and how much travel a servo should have on my helis. Having a fellow pilot with the same heli as yours is big help.

So if I was a beginner, then I would go with what is out there on the field and right now I see it being the Align 600E & N. And yes, I do see more Align helis at Fun Flies. If it wasn't for some factory sponsored Raptor pilots (eg. Bert Magbanua), then I don't think I would've seen any Raptors.

What is happening now is similar to what I have seen with the Chevy Camaro Z28, they let it go down hill and let the Ford Mustang take over the market.

Having my heli: Cool, Having a working heli: Awesome, Having a day to fly: PRICELESS!

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03-08-2008 08:24 PM  10 years agoPost 109
Craig Simmons

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our favourite heli
raptor 90 3d..nice machine
we have a trex 600n..its ok..but thats about it
when it crashes i recon we wont repair it again(the last crash was to expensive)and we came from a raptor 90 to the rex
and then went and brought a raptor 90 again.what more can i say
im already looking to replace the trex600n
BEST VIDEO ?.. sunday by the lake raptor 90
swaps considered
regards craig simmons

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03-09-2008 06:38 AM  10 years agoPost 110
RonHill

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rexxigpilot
We may be about to see a changing of the guard so to speak. The old guards, the T-rex 450's and 600's, are about to be upstaged by the newer products coming out now like the MA Bandit, MA Razor 50 and the JR Vibe 50.
Maybe. But MA has a reputation of being expensive and so does JR. Part of the draw to the Trex is high end features on a budget.

Plus the Vibe 50 manual has it weighing more than the Trex.
Some pilots are saying the Vibe 50 production version weighs about 7.7# and the Trex's are coming in around 7.3-7.5#.

I have a Vibe 90 and it flies nice...But it is expensive both to buy and fix, and IMO has more MX than some other designs.

I look forward to seeing them...But I doubt I will run out and buy a Vibe 50.

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03-09-2008 07:03 AM  10 years agoPost 111
Carey

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I have both a raptor 50 and a 600n. With the stock 10/10 head the raptor seems a bit 'flat'.

With a kasama head (@14/14), tail, fan, and quk swash the thing is just nuts. I recently made a plastic frame explode in cold weather though.

The 600n started out with the quk swash and all metal head, metal bearing blocks. Cold weather flying scared me away from anything plastic where I could get away with it.

The 600n is past nuts to ridiculous. I had to back off my afr's to get to a sane pitch. Cyclic is off the charts.

The two helis are way beyond my skill level, and I look forward to flying them both. I would really like to see a new raptor frame from TT though. I would fly that thing for years if they added things like bearing blocks and G10.

So yes I would have to say the 600n is better out of the box when compared with a r50.

They took the lead for sure.

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03-09-2008 01:49 PM  10 years agoPost 112
GatorUp

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I'm so tired of this nonsense about Align. You all sound like a bunch of yentta. Enough. It's an F'n heli... If you like it then buy it.
This thread has gone on too long. You all sound like a bunch of grade school kids. It's not near the best bird to have, It just a little cheaper to fix. When you stop crashing and having to replace parts after every gallon of fuel(if you make it that far) buy something more solid.
ENOUGH SAID

Living life on a razors edge,.. Go GATORS!!!

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03-09-2008 01:51 PM  10 years agoPost 113
flipurbird

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align just has a great marketing team.. raptors are great time tested and trued machines and parts are everywhere.. and they last...

I simply refuse to tippy toe through life just to safely arrive at death.

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03-09-2008 02:01 PM  10 years agoPost 114
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THANK YOU
3DFREAK It's not just your call name thats GREEN

Living life on a razors edge,.. Go GATORS!!!

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03-09-2008 02:57 PM  10 years agoPost 115
dvdking

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Yes your right GatorUp it is time to end this thread. If you like then buy it and stop talking about who's the best and what is every one else is buying. Buy what you like not what every one else's is buying. We are MEN not grade school kids.

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03-09-2008 03:59 PM  10 years agoPost 116
GatorUp

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Thank you king

Living life on a razors edge,.. Go GATORS!!!

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03-09-2008 05:52 PM  10 years agoPost 117
RonHill

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GatorUp
I'm so tired of this nonsense about Align. You all sound like a bunch of yentta. Enough. It's an F'n heli... If you like it then buy it.
This thread has gone on too long. You all sound like a bunch of grade school kids. It's not near the best bird to have, It just a little cheaper to fix. When you stop crashing and having to replace parts after every gallon of fuel(if you make it that far) buy something more solid.
So YOU are allowed to have an opinion and post it but no one else is?

Your opinion is not more valid than anyone else's. The difference is we are not calling others names and trying to act like we are the end all be all and the final say.

This is a forum to discuss these exact types of questions...Maybe you should not read them if you are going to get all wound up.

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03-09-2008 06:02 PM  10 years agoPost 118
GatorUp

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Glad to hear your- less than 2 cents Mr.Quote king. I see your the man.

Living life on a razors edge,.. Go GATORS!!!

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03-09-2008 06:47 PM  10 years agoPost 119
RonHill

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GatorUp
Glad to hear your- less than 2 cents Mr.Quote king. I see your the man.
Why would you think your two cents are worth more than anyone else's? Why do you have to use insults instead of communication skills?

Like I said, this is a forum to discuss these exact types of questions...Maybe you should not read them if you are going to get all wound up.

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03-09-2008 06:49 PM  10 years agoPost 120
Blade_Master1

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I own a Century Raven30 that started as a Hawk pro and I just bought another used Hawk pro, I like the quality I get for the money I spend.
I am not saying Century is the best,But I know the kit inside and out and think it is very easy to repair.
I also own a Trex450sa I find it pitifull that they both cost about the same.

As for brand loyalty this isn't about supporting your local sports team.
It is about personal preference and affordability, It should be what you like and what skills you have to build, maintain and fly.

There will always be cows that follow the herd.

Personally for me it is about getting the best quality I can afford and owning something that makes me happy.

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