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HomeAircraftHelicopterAlignOther › Is it me or has Align really overtaken the Raptors as having the better helis?
03-06-2008 03:09 PM  10 years agoPost 81
Ron_Osinski

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There you go Kinger...making sence again... <G>

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03-06-2008 03:19 PM  10 years agoPost 82
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As somebody mentioned before, different flavors for different people. It used to be that in the 50 size market there were only one or two players. Now look at the choices modelers have to choose from. I think that's a good thing
And one more player that will be here next week,the Vibe 50. They are already in UK being shipped to the customers now.

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03-06-2008 06:35 PM  10 years agoPost 83
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If the head dynamics of the vibe 90 are anything to go by, this should beat the t-rex as a great 3D machine with the ability to fly smooth for FAI. Not necessarily as an all out 3D machine though and defiantly not on price. I will not be selling my t-rex to buy a vibe 50. For a possible slight increase in performance, it would be false economy to change.

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03-06-2008 06:48 PM  10 years agoPost 84
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i'm hoping it flys just like the Align 600,i can handle the better quality as a bonus.

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03-06-2008 06:50 PM  10 years agoPost 85
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i'm hoping it flys just like the Align 600
That i seriously 'doubt'

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03-06-2008 07:21 PM  10 years agoPost 86
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That i seriously 'doubt'
You think it will fly better as well then.

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03-06-2008 07:40 PM  10 years agoPost 87
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And one more player that will be here next week,the Vibe 50. They are already in UK being shipped to the customers now.
Mine is shipping tomorrow morning

I can sacrifice some agility for quality and design. Have you guys even looked at the vibe 50 building manual? The construction awesome, they paid attention to every detail and just from looking at the airframe you can judge the solid construction. 3 alu frame spacers just for the radio tray (and 12 screws holding it... overkill but solid) plus 5 spacers through the entire structure plus another 4 alu spacers at the base. I don't even need to mention the frame break off tabs or the adjustable gear mesh. The weight seems to be near the 600N (still need factual data on this but in a week or so, I'll now for sure) plus it has the same flybar length and 140ccpm (less interactions).

Tony

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03-06-2008 07:46 PM  10 years agoPost 88
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If it flies like a Raptor 50, it will be a winner.

If it flies like a 600N, it will be a wasted effort.

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03-06-2008 07:48 PM  10 years agoPost 89
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The Vibe 50 is exactly how a model helicopter should be in my eyes, I started flying in 1978 though and have a rather nostalgic opinion about helicopter design and appearance. The Vibe seems to have a lot of the really nice qualities of when model helicopters were special with a modern approach.

I'm not so sure that the Vibe 50 will lack any agility, we'll only know when we fly it and if we tell ourselves how it flies for long enough without actually flying it then we may well have brainwashed ourselves into thinking its what we anticipate it to be rather than realising what it really is.

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03-06-2008 07:51 PM  10 years agoPost 90
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If it flies like a Raptor 50, it will be a winner.

If it flies like a 600N, it will be a wasted effort.

Col.
I think I agree!

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03-06-2008 08:04 PM  10 years agoPost 91
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If it flies like a Raptor 50, it will be a winner.

[quote]If it flies like a 600N, it will be a wasted effort.
I have been told a lot of times it's all in the set up and they all fly the same anyway. Shouldn't be problem to get it to pitch up and down in foward flight just like a raptor if you try hard enough.

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03-06-2008 08:09 PM  10 years agoPost 92
Matt-Drummer

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The Raptor must have been badly set-up then?

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03-06-2008 08:27 PM  10 years agoPost 93
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No I don't own 1 and won't unless the quality is improved to be even close to acceptable and the canopy is changed (but the canopy is a personal choice thing), 3 of us at our club were thinking about buying them when it came out. 1 of the 3 did the other guy and myself soon decided we were glad we never and the 1 that did soon got rid of it.
So you base all your opinions on one guy and the internet? On the other hand, I have owned and flown one for almost a year now. We have about 9 at our field any given weekend, and I read the internet.
then I suggest you are replacing the parts that wear quickly because you are crashing so much.
I have had 3 "crashes" in a year. One was a boomstrike, one and two were inverted landings....Guess what, I am on still on the same mainshaft and spindle. The parts I have replaced other than tailbooms:

1. 2 Gear sets. I used the tail like a ditch witch twice. My Vibe would have been toast as well.

2. Swash. The last high speed landing was too much for it. I had an Evo swash go as well.

3. Bearings in the main blade grips twice. (after the two inverted landings)

4. Clutch liner, flat just wore it down. Since I had the machine apart I replaced all the bearings.

So your opinion does not jive with the facts.

The only crap part was the oneway and they seem to have fixed that.
On your crash costs you forgot to add frames to the trex which break so easily and yes they do.
Again, I have one, you don't. I have crashed mine, seen others crash, heard of more and only one frame set. You have seen one guy crash and read some on the internet.
If it is only an opinion that the trex is a pain to work on then lets have a race at changing a full set of servo's while you struggle to even get at the rear swash servo I will have had mine swapped and set up.
You want to make silly bets? Fine, If you think the rear servo is difficult, then yeah I'd smoke you.
what I do is correct the nonsense said about it being a superior model in every aspect as its not.
The bottom line is the design aspect is fantastic the flight experience is fantastic but the parts quality is complete crap,
And what I am doing is correcting the nonsense that it is crap. I OWN one, fly it 3,4 days a week. You have not owned one, only seen one with issues but assume they all do.

Who do you think knows more about a product? A guy that has owned one for a year, or a guy that has never owned one and only really seen one?

You can continue your unsubstantiated opinions. I'll go with real world experience.

What I find so funny is when the Raptor came out I'd have been on the Raptor side and you would be bashing it I'd bet.

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03-06-2008 08:40 PM  10 years agoPost 94
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There are 3 Raptors and 19 600 nitro's at our field,what does that tell you. Thats not counting the 6 500 and 600 align electrics, and lord knows how many 450's.

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03-06-2008 09:06 PM  10 years agoPost 95
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There are 3 Raptors and 19 600 nitro's at our field,what does that tell you. Thats not counting the 6 500 and 600 align electrics, and lord knows how many 450
It tells me that Align is the most popular manufacturer at your field, did the nineteen people who now own 600N's have Raptor's before?

Whether the 600N is better than the Raptor is a personal opinion but overall you would have to say it is based on its popularity, its popularity being a measure of all its attributes (looks, cost of ownership, flying enjoyment etc, etc).

Whether the 600N is a good helicopter is another question based on personal expectations, for most people, yes it is, its not good enough for me in the areas that matter most to me. I did buy one but soon sold it realising my mistake (my mistake was that its the wrong helicopter for me, not necessarily bad).

I recently bought my first Raptor (never thought I would) to ultimately put in a scale fuselage but also just to fly now whilst waiting for the Vibe 50. The Raptor really did build well and its quite impressed me.

The 600N is popular because it flies how people want a helicopter to fly today, it also offers a more modern appearance with features usually only found on more expensive high end machines, it looks more sophisticated than a plastic framed Sceadu or Raptor with a blow moulded canopy. Basically, you get a lot for your money on the face of it and that's also part of the attraction as well as the competition being particularly weak right now.

I don't want a 600N because I want to like and be proud of what I fly and the 600N whilst being perfectly serviceable with great flying abalities just feels cheap and nasty compared to what I have seen from other manufacturers.

The 600N must be better than a Raptor, its more popular, as cost effective to own, flies better for most people, looks better (marginally in my opinion) and just captures the mood of the people more right now.

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03-06-2008 09:11 PM  10 years agoPost 96
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tells me that Align is the most popular manufacturer at your field, did the nineteen people who now own 600N's have Raptor's before?
Yes except for a couple of new flyers that bought the raptors before they talked to us or came to our field. Most of the guys stripped the electronics out of the rapors to put in the 600's.

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03-06-2008 09:17 PM  10 years agoPost 97
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Nice hot Flordia with sun stroke tends to cause people to strip, everything makes perfect sense to me now.

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03-06-2008 09:20 PM  10 years agoPost 98
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Its quite remarkable how easily and quickly the 600N has become the dominat 50 size helicopter at most fields.

I would find it really interesting to know what the people at Hirobo and Thunder Tiger think, it almost seems like they have just sat back and let this happen.

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03-06-2008 09:24 PM  10 years agoPost 99
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It's not just our field that has a lot of 600's go to any funfly and you will see mostly 600N's,they seem to be even more popular than the 90's now.

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03-06-2008 09:31 PM  10 years agoPost 100
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it almost seems like they have just sat back and let this happen
They were probably caught off guard by its quick popularity. I am looking forward to seeing what both Hirobo and TT come up with next - they both make great products. Competition does two great things: brings better products to the market and forces manufacturers to continually think of new ideas.

I admit to being a 600N owner - its a fantastic helicopter. Easy to build, maintain, fly, etc. Cheap to fix as well. I had the 600 electric for a year before getting the 600N, I already knew it would fly well and have not been disappointed.

But there are many great helis out there in the 50 class. Just pick one you like and fly it, no need to try and decide which is "best", there is no "best" for everybody - its all personal. Also, someones opinion on a heli they have not owned is only a repeat of other's opinions..... it would be like me judging the Knight 3D having never owned one as of yet.

Anyway its obvious, regardless of the reasons, that the 600N is now the most common 50 nitro out there. To say that is only based on a fad is dismissing the fact that its a pretty darn good helicopter.



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