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02-11-2008 02:09 AM  10 years agoPost 1
MWALKER

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Im so excited!! I had my first flights this weekend. I actually hovered and started working with some forward/backwads flight. I think ive put about a half gallon through the bird so far. Anyhow ive got some questions.

1. What is the best way to transition from a hover into flying a traffic pattern?
2. What are some things I need to give a good "once over" for on my heli after the first few flights, sort of a basic post flight/pre flight? As im sure some thigns might have loosened up ie: engine mount bolts.
3. I noticed that my gy401 flashes rapidly after I turn it on, then it is a slow steady flash. I know when my buddy was setting it all up for me, it was a constant on-light and now its flashing- what does that mean?
4. I am having to hold quite a bit of right tail rotor. I tried to trim it to the right but I still have to hold quite a bit of right stick. How can I fix that?
5. What is the best way to clean the heli up? It has quite a bit of oil on the frame. Do you just soak it down with a spray bottle of alchohol?
6. Any other tips/advice for a newb that had his first hover this weekend.

Thanks everyone!

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02-11-2008 02:30 AM  10 years agoPost 2
baddynergy

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1. work on hovering in all orientation before moving into forward flight.Ie tail in, side in, and nose in.

2. EVERYTHING. all ball links, check nuts and bolts. Everything
3. I noticed that my gy401 flashes rapidly after I turn it on, then it is a slow steady flash. I know when my buddy was setting it all up for me, it was a constant on-light and now its flashing- what does that mean?
4. I am having to hold quite a bit of right tail rotor. I tried to trim it to the right but I still have to hold quite a bit of right stick. How can I fix that?
Take the trim out, that is why the light is blinking. When properly set up in rate mode, it will hold in HH mode without any trim. You need to put it in rate mode and adjust the linkage to where the tail stays still in a hover, then switch into heading mode. Most importantly ALWAY when you turn your bird on, your Tx gyro switch is in HH position.

5. I like to use Nitro blast. It is a little expensive at 6 bucks a can, but it gets the bird clean and is safe for the servo cases. Alcohol works well on the blades and things you can get to with a rag.

6. Burn LOTS and LOTS of fuel. Stay on the sim and practice practice practice until flying is a natural instinct

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02-11-2008 03:05 AM  10 years agoPost 3
Sam2b

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Core Fundementals
What is the best way to transition from a hover into flying a traffic pattern?
I learned all this on the sim then at the field, but first by hovering stationary tail in. Then slowly move your rudder stick left and right, pointing the nose from straight in front of you, to left about 45 degrees, and back to straight in front of you. There is a comfort in hovering tail in, but like all orientations, when you do it allot, you become efficient. It is then time to gradually work in something different.

After you can piro from center to left 45 degrees and back to center repeatedly with confidence while keeping a stationary hover, then slowing work your way into piro right at 45 degrees and back to center, repeating this exercise many times for many days until you are confident.

This trains your brain with hand/eye coordination, and trains you to make deliberate moves of the heli when you move the sticks. Tail control will make or break allot of maneuvers.

Lastly, work your way to piro nose left-center-left-center and right-center-right-center but now at 90 degrees. You will get used to seeing the heli completely sideways, which is necessary for flying past you. Soon you should be able to piro from left to right repeatedly for a full 180 degrees.

Become a master at this process. You'll soon start thinking "hmm, I wonder if I can do this while nose in". And you will. By that time you will have learned enough hand/eye coordination to move the heli, drifting from side to side. Expect many weeks to pass first. But actual forward flight and turning is another set of instructions.

_Sam B_

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02-11-2008 03:09 AM  10 years agoPost 4
helicrack

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Now what? Buy spares....

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02-11-2008 03:12 AM  10 years agoPost 5
MWALKER

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Thanks for all the advice. I must admit though, I am completely lost when it comes to talking about rate mode and stuff. I dont really know what all of that is yet.

I like that- "buy spares". Yes, ive already considered investing in a Trex 450.

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02-11-2008 03:42 AM  10 years agoPost 6
baddynergy

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Thanks for all the advice. I must admit though, I am completely lost when it comes to talking about rate mode and stuff. I dont really know what all of that is yet.
Read the manual that came with the 401 a couple times and it will all become very clear. The instructions are quite good. If you still have issues, just ask. Their are plenty of guys here that are more than willing to help.

Ps, check Dkshema profile, he has an EXCELLENT right up on the 401.

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02-11-2008 04:54 AM  10 years agoPost 7
David Blain

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MWALKER-
I too agree with Sam2B -- Read on:
Every R/C Pilot will give you different input,period. Some live and die on sims (Simulators are toy games with "reset" buttons)-- IF you got it flying, Do just that, HOVER THAT BIRD until your bored!! I have taught several people and patience and perfection is the goal. Don't get ahead of yourself. Heli's are deadly unforgiving!!!!!!! It will crash in micro seconds..
Work the Hover drills, then your profiles (tail at 3,6,9 o'clock) then progress into the "Box"-(moving forward slowly,left,right,backing up etc).
Now when YOUR READY learn your auto's....Various heights... I know more pilots that can fly but never mastered the Auto, I often wonder what would happen when they will need it if the engine quits, sure they can fly forward but can't Auto to save the bird!!!!!!!
After YOU have got your game on with all that, Drop the nose and get some elevation and go slow working on your Figure Eights..Circles and Banks etc...
Good Luck, sound like your gonna do great, just move ahead AS YOU want to, not because you feel you have to! In the long run you will save money, parts and aggravation!

Let us know how you make out...

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02-11-2008 05:03 AM  10 years agoPost 8
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then buy MORE spare parts!

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02-11-2008 05:08 AM  10 years agoPost 9
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Chicken Dance
One other thing...
Whats the deal with the "chicken dance"? How do you prevent ground resenance? (spelling)

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02-11-2008 05:59 AM  10 years agoPost 10
Sam2b

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Whats the deal with the "chicken dance"? How do you prevent ground resonance?
I hate to post this, but it is one of the most perfect examples of a chicken dance I've ever seen. Watch this video to the end, and you'll see what a quality chicken dance looks like.

Usually hitting the throttle hold switch stops everything, but in this case the hardware failed somewhere during the crash and kept going.

Watch at YouTube

_Sam B_

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02-11-2008 07:08 AM  10 years agoPost 11
MWALKER

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I must say, that was some AMAZING flying in that video. After this weekend I have learned a whole new appreciation for the guys flying 3D.
As far as the chicken dance... yes that was impressive as well. However, I am talking about when I go up on the throttle and im not quite off the ground yet, the heli vibrates horribly. It does a chicken dance becuase of ground resonance I guess. Anyhow, how do you prevent that? Come up on the throttle faster? If you do that it makes the tail spin 180 degrees.

And SAM- I will work on those manuevers on the sim. Thanks for all the advice. Its good to have people to go to for answers.

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02-11-2008 07:32 AM  10 years agoPost 12
Sam2b

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...im not quite off the ground yet, the heli vibrates horribly.
Ah okay. If this only happens when your fly the first flight of the day, then it is simply the main blades straightening themselves out to 180 via centrifugal force. If you happen to bend the blades in the grips again after the first flight, it will happen again.

But if you spool up, and spool down, and spool up again and still have the shaky head, chances are you have either your blades out of balance, and/or your paddles are not equidistant on the flybar.

There's allot to account for, and soon it will be second nature what to check.

_Sam B_

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02-11-2008 11:54 PM  10 years agoPost 13
David Blain

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MWALKER
Why don't you give us a run down on what you got (parts wise) in the heli... It will help us out!
Start at motor-Blades, Dampeners,are you running skid pads?
Any extra pieces and info like that.... It will help us help you!

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02-12-2008 12:50 AM  10 years agoPost 14
Yug

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Tail in hover > nose & side in hover > forwad flights & circuits > 8s > pirouetting hover > stall turns > stall turns & extending pirouette to conclusion of manouver > pirouetting circuits and 8s and so on.

Vegetable rights and Peace

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02-12-2008 12:57 AM  10 years agoPost 15
rjhpilot91

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Scale flying
This is probably a little advanced for you yet but I recently got bored with forward flight and basic aerobatics, but I dont have any desire to flip her over. Tonight I'm practicing pinnacle approaches to a helipad, which happens to be a 14 inch square box about 2 feet off the ground. My goal is to make them look as scale as possible. Trying to maintain a constant descent with forward airspeed with a soft touchdown over the pad is challenging in that tight space with those odds of falling off. Its a great skill builder though.

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02-12-2008 05:24 AM  10 years agoPost 16
MWALKER

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Thank you everyone for all of your advice. I didnt get to fly today becuase it was too windy. I'll work on some of these things tomorrow hopefully. To answer the question of what im running:
Raptor 30, TT39, GY401, 9C Super xmitter

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