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02-09-2008 01:45 AM  10 years agoPost 21
Jeff polisena

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Perfect example , I was trying to say what Yug said but did not come out rite

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02-09-2008 01:50 AM  10 years agoPost 22
Yug

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Nice to know it made sence. fanx

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02-09-2008 01:52 AM  10 years agoPost 23
Ace Dude

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Yes, it's obvious he didn't read the first post nor did he read the PPP.

  

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02-09-2008 02:32 AM  10 years agoPost 24
Ken Filloon

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IMHO flying skills and the ability to set up a helicopter go hand in hand. I have never had someone starting out in this hobby ask me to fly their helicopter that did not need something straightened out on it. Like it or not people that can toss a helicopter around do know how to set it up. When people head out to the local flying field seeking set up help do you think they ask the guy off hovering in the corner or the guy doing 3D 2 feet off the ground. A good set up is the result of trial and error. As your flying skill progresses your ability to set up the helicopter will also progress.

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02-09-2008 02:54 AM  10 years agoPost 25
jackheli

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Ok. How about this:

the guy may have phenomenal building and setup skill but for the sake of this exercise we are only interested in his piloting skills.

There could be a mechanics MBA or something that goes along the setting up and building...

It's easy to find an excuse to do wrong. Hard is not to find an excuse to do right.

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02-09-2008 03:00 AM  10 years agoPost 26
Gearhead

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I don't think classification is a great idea, there is as many different classifications as there are flyers,, I mean I know 2 guys that could out 3D me, but 1 of the guys could not even hover nose-in yet I can, and the other guy is not half as smooth as I am,, how would you classify us 3..

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02-09-2008 03:16 AM  10 years agoPost 27
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I'll take micro maniac's side here and ask who gets to be the judge and jury? As someone who can complete PPP, I don't think it has any relevance to piloting proficiency but it is a good framework for orientation skills. If PPP was the final word, there would be a lot highly skilled scale, uav, and f3c pilots rated below some jackass who flies so hard no one can tell what he's doing

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02-09-2008 05:10 AM  10 years agoPost 28
jschenck

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I tend to agree with Micro and Yug here, there is a lot more to this hobby than the ability to throw the bird around. a posted pilot rating would not offer any more insight to a persons credentials than the post count ratings.

As far as a pilot skill rating system goes I think that the IRCHA PPP is a great starting point. If you can stick bang your way through a piro-flip'ish maneuver but couldn't land nose in to save your heli then you are not that skilled of a pilot IMO. Good FAI type flying takes real skill which can translate to hard acrobatics a lot quicker than a stick banger can get a solid FAI sequence down.

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02-09-2008 01:53 PM  10 years agoPost 29
n8tron

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jackheli

You are on to something here jack. This hobby lacks a set of standards when it comes to piloting proficiencies. After trying to teach several of my friends the basics of helicopter flight, I started drafting a short document. Of course this subject is completely subjective but that’s how standards start. With a consortium of ideas that people agree on and document.

Much like the computer industry, I break the subject down into two categories; piloting proficiency and technical ability (building skills). Even though these things go hand in hand, one thing isn’t required to be good at the other. I know a few guys that have their helicopters build FOR them and they just focus on there piloting skills. With that aside I much rather focus on the subject of standards.

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02-09-2008 02:44 PM  10 years agoPost 30
Ace Dude

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The IRCHA Pilot Proficiency Program (PPP) has been around since 1998. Unfortunately, as evidenced here, most people haven't invested the few minutes necessary to review and understand the program and see what is has to offer.

So before you say the hobby lacks piloting standards take a look at what was done almost ten years ago.

  

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02-09-2008 03:27 PM  10 years agoPost 31
TMoore

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I was wondering if it wouldn't be beneficial to come up with a piloting framework classification which would group pilots by their skills. Just like in tennis where you can be a class 1-5, etc.
Go to an Event. You can usually sort out the dudes that can fly and setup and those that can't. Havoc and I have flown at a lot of events together, as have a lot of other pilots on this board.

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02-09-2008 03:54 PM  10 years agoPost 32
JKos

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> Like it or not people that can toss a helicopter around do know how
> to set it up.

While this may be true in general, I have not found it to be true overall. I have met and watched guys who can fly hard 3D due to lots of simulator time but their machines are setup like crap and not well maintained at all. I have also helped much more proficient pilots than I who, while they kept their high-end machines well maintained, weren't that worried about the finer details of setup.

I've known guys that can 3D two feet of the ground but I wouldn't let them touch my machines nor would I fly their machines or send newbies to them for help. I've known guys who are simply very proficient sport flyers that I would let build, setup, and maintain a machine for me no question.

Back on subject of piloting, I think the PPP is already out there for people to use.

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02-09-2008 07:11 PM  10 years agoPost 33
Jeff polisena

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I think this is getting too deep this is a hobby if you get in to it professionally that's great but everyone doesnt look at it that way when people start judging or get judged it gets into personalities and that is why things get heated up . I myself don't know or remember all name ,specs, physics or terminology but I can fly and I can set up as good as the next guy Also competitions set standards and all the competitions are about flying not setups but the setups help you win

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02-09-2008 07:27 PM  10 years agoPost 34
GyroFreak

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we are only interested in his piloting skills.
I don't see any advantage for use on an Internet forum. Bragging rights only !! How can you learn anything from a class 5 pilot over the internet ?? Setup yes, but you are stating pilot skill only, not setup tuning skill.

I think about the hereafter. I go somewhere to get something, then wonder what I'm here after ?

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