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02-08-2008 09:32 PM  10 years agoPost 1
jackheli

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I was wondering if it wouldn't be beneficial to come up with a piloting framework classification which would group pilots by their skills. Just like in tennis where you can be a class 1-5, etc.

When discussing issues I always need to be asking how hard the person that is posting flies. For example, in order to assess how a modification is fairing, 100 flights of funnels and piro-flips is much different than 100 flights on FF.

So we could have something like:
Class 1 - Starting
Class 2- Able to hover tail in, nose-in and sideways, perform static pirouettes, transition from hover to FF and back, perform circles and figure eights.
Class 3- Able to perform 180 stall turns, loops, rolls and forward autorotations
Class 4- Able to perform static rolls and flips, cuban-eights, chain rolls and loops and 540 stall turns
Class 5 - Able to hover inverted and fly inverted circles and figure eights...

and so on... (I am not sure I am qualified to propose the ranking framework, actually)

It's easy to find an excuse to do wrong. Hard is not to find an excuse to do right.

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02-08-2008 09:39 PM  10 years agoPost 2
Hoagie1

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i always wonder how to classify the guy who...
can only do piroflips(or insert other one-trick pony advanced maneuver), but can't hover sideways (insert other basic heli competency).

what scale number do you give?

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02-08-2008 09:46 PM  10 years agoPost 3
legoman67

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how would it be rated though? people would just lie, also that doesnt really reflect much, like im only doing forward flight, but from being around so much i have a pretty good knowledge of all heli related stuff.... it just i dont have time to get to the feild, or the weathers crappy...

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02-08-2008 09:53 PM  10 years agoPost 4
helibird

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I understand what your getting at but as stated above you wouldn't really be able to trust the rating anyway. Kind of why I like going to some funflies and finding out who they are on here, then you know who to listen to on the forum. Lot of two gallon experts around here regurgitation info they have read over and over and have no first hand expierence.

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02-08-2008 09:59 PM  10 years agoPost 5
Havoc

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IRCHA has a Pilot Proficiency Program that goes from basic to more advanced 3D.
Kind of why I like going to some funflies and finding out who they are on here, then you know who to listen to on the forum.
This is still the best way.

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02-08-2008 10:04 PM  10 years agoPost 6
jackheli

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Everybody can lie. Be it on the ranking or when asked how proficient in flying they are. The difference is that a single word will describe one's level instead of having to make an essay about it. Be it truthful or not.

Where can we see the IRCHA ranking?

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02-08-2008 10:09 PM  10 years agoPost 7
Havoc

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02-08-2008 10:27 PM  10 years agoPost 8
AndyH

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woohoo! I have at least 1 level 7 maneuver down pat...
H. Pirouetting Auger (1 required variations)
1. Starting from any altitude and orientation and to the pilot’s right start your Auger. The
helicopter does not have to be pirouetting when the Auger starts.
2. To complete this maneuver at least one part of the helicopter must be six (6) inches below the
normal surface level.
Note: The softer the ground in the “landing” zone the easier it is to complete this maneuver.
Just Kidding! IRCHA does not encourage this type of maneuver, but hey stuff happens
and I’m tried. <G>

Funny thing is those maneuvers don't really represent all of 3D flying anymore. Some of em are stuff nobody really cares about. And some of that stuffs frikin hard!

This hobby is like Kryptonite to chicks!

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02-08-2008 10:34 PM  10 years agoPost 9
Havoc

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Funny thing is those maneuvers don't really represent all of 3D flying anymore. Some of em are stuff nobody really cares about. And some of that stuffs frikin hard!
But that's just it. It's supposed to be about proficiency not necessarily 3D or most entertaining.

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02-08-2008 10:34 PM  10 years agoPost 10
Boidman (RIP)

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On a topic that is important, and not just trying to satisfy the asker's or an observer's idle curiosity, the only real way I have found to evaluate the responses when there could be some doubt, is by searching a given poster's history.

Even then, you have to be careful because there are many skilled and experienced modelers who are less than great with spelling and sentence structure. Which also leads to those who can string words together real well, without actually saying anything of value.

The extra time it takes to find out a little about who is doing the talking, could be worth more than any self-annointed rating system, in my opinion.

It takes a little personal effort to get to the good stuff, but it is not that hard or time consuming to do.

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02-08-2008 10:44 PM  10 years agoPost 11
jschenck

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Putting your IRCHA rating in your tag line would be interesting. I passed level 1 a few years back

One of my goals when going to the great IRCHA pilgrimage this year will be to see if anyone will sign me off on level 2

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02-08-2008 11:51 PM  10 years agoPost 12
Micro-Maniac

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Theres way too many dynamics to this hobby for any type of rating system to reflect an individual's knowledge on any general or specific topic - Using a system such as the IRCHA proficiency program would only tailor to people dedicated to competition and/or strictly structuring their learning to the sequence laid out in the rating system - Not everyone progresses through the same sequence of maneuvers and/or physical and mental coordination - Plus theres people who can perform maneuvers but not for the life of them explain just how while others understand perfectly how to do a maneuver but just either don't have the experience or coordination to pull it off themselves - Also just because someone can fly doesn't mean they can mechanic and visa-versa - This person can paint the sky - This person can tune an engine - This person has electronics knowledge - This person has physics knowledge - Too many variables to categorize a bunch of hobbyists' by level of potential helpfulness or credibility or perspective

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02-08-2008 11:59 PM  10 years agoPost 13
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Theres way too many dynamics to this hobby for any type of rating system to reflect an individual's knowledge on any general or specific topic - Using a system such as the IRCHA proficiency program would only tailor to people dedicated to competition and/or strictly structuring their learning to the sequence laid out in the rating system - Not everyone progresses through the same sequence of maneuvers and/or physical and mental coordination - Plus theres people who can perform maneuvers but not for the life of them explain just how while others understand perfectly how to do a maneuver but just either don't have the experience or coordination to pull it off themselves - Also just because someone can fly doesn't mean they can mechanic and visa-versa - Too many variables to catagorize a bunch of hobbyists' by level of helpfulness/perspective
Just curious, did you actually read the PPP? I completely disagree with everything you said.

I think the PPP is a great program. I just wish there was more support for it.

  

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02-09-2008 12:07 AM  10 years agoPost 14
Micro-Maniac

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I don't see what the PPP has to do with anyone's potential helpfulness in general or specific topics discussed on a web hobby forum

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02-09-2008 12:07 AM  10 years agoPost 15
Ace Dude

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And therein lies the problem.

  

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02-09-2008 12:09 AM  10 years agoPost 16
Jeff polisena

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One word (Perception)I might think Im the best but reality is Im not

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02-09-2008 12:18 AM  10 years agoPost 17
Micro-Maniac

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So some dude can pull off some maneuvers - How does that make him so surefire helpful to others vs someone who may not actually be able to pull of a maneuver but has an understanding from a different perpective that might actually be more helpful than anything the other guy can convey to others? And then what does simply being able to fly have to do with knowledge in any aspect of this hobby? Some people think just because someone can perform every maneuver in the book that they also know everything about the hobby and have the ability to make others understand

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02-09-2008 12:24 AM  10 years agoPost 18
Jeff polisena

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Its like someone using big words to say the same thing as someone else .This is a hard question some people can fly well but cant teach others to fly and then some not so well and it is easy to teach

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02-09-2008 12:40 AM  10 years agoPost 19
jackheli

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This had nothing to do with building knowledge. Just piloting skill and helicopter endurance.

On a post it would be nice to know how hard the pilot pushes his hardware. That was my intent.

Not wanting to open a can of worms here, but many disciplines have rating frameworks, some with much higher number of variables, and they still serve their purpose.

It's easy to find an excuse to do wrong. Hard is not to find an excuse to do right.

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02-09-2008 01:41 AM  10 years agoPost 20
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It is important to be clear on the topic in hand. This is about "How about a piloting classification framework?" which relates purely to piloting skills and NOT technical skills relating to heli setup, materials technology and electronics technology etc. I've seen many impressive flights while I've sometimes been supprised at how little technical knowledge the pilot has had. This of course is one reason that makes helis so fascinating and absorbing, - there are so many levels at which the hobby exists. Taking things to the extremes, you can have a pilot with jaw dropping performance capabile pilot but with naff all technical knowledge; but you can also have a pretty basic pilot who truly understands heli setup and relevant technologies but with basic piloting skills. This thread is simply about piloting skills - the thing that seems to count most.

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