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02-08-2008 02:57 PM  10 years agoPost 1
aambrose

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I don't know enough about the subject so I'm asking those who do. When your website is all Flash, do the search engines (Google, Yahoo, etc.) detect it better/the same/worse than if it wasn't all Flash? I know I didn't ask that very eloquently.

Thanks!


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02-08-2008 03:36 PM  10 years agoPost 2
46Taylorcraft

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the short answer is "no" it is not better than live text in html.

live text on your page, page title, and meta keyword/description tags are your best friend when it comes to SEO.

Better to build your page with live text via HTML and embed flash elements rather then have a 100% flash site.

Using externally linked XML in your complete flash site helps but nothing beats content in html.

SEO is an ever changing complicated process. There are people who have full time jobs reverse engineering the algorithms used by the major SE companies. You could spend hours and hours figuring the best, latest way to get indexed, but like I say... you can't go wrong with properly written copy.

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02-08-2008 04:35 PM  10 years agoPost 3
aambrose

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Thanks DJ!


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02-08-2008 04:56 PM  10 years agoPost 4
kiwidave1

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This is a good tool when designing and writing your site to validate your code.

http://validator.w3.org/

It is a royal pain to get everything validated but worth the effort. I thing that Google also looks at coding errors when ranking a page.

(DJ,....28 errors??..((shakes his head in mock shame))

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02-08-2008 05:08 PM  10 years agoPost 5
tabbytabb

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ahhhh

mine has 31 and I paid good money for my site!

Time to email the webmaster

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02-08-2008 05:09 PM  10 years agoPost 6
aambrose

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David,
Is it really necessary to "validate" everything? I ran Microsoft's site through it and it had errors too (more than ours). Is this just being way picky?

That's what I mean Tabb. Is it really necessary to try to eliminate all errors and warnings?

I just want to be able to continue having people hit our website using the common search terms they've been using even if I decide to spruce up our site with some Flash.

Glad to see it validated itself as Valid XHTML 1.0 Strict!
Thanks!


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02-08-2008 05:12 PM  10 years agoPost 7
tabbytabb

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Thats what I initially thought.

I will see what my web guy says, I am guessing he will say it is being way too picky either way

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02-08-2008 05:13 PM  10 years agoPost 8
tabbytabb

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just ran google through and it has 51 errors,

Makes me feel better

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02-08-2008 05:17 PM  10 years agoPost 9
aambrose

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Yeah, what do they know? Slackers!


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02-08-2008 05:18 PM  10 years agoPost 10
46Taylorcraft

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s it really necessary to "validate" everything?
What matters most to me is that the site looks and functions the same across all browsers.

I know my site doesn't validate (rare that any site will validate 100%) and I don't pay it much attention. The site works and gets good placement and that's all I am concerned with.

hey.... try validating RunRyder. 630 errors. I'll take my 28 with a grin thank you verry much.

and how did we start talking about validations when the original question was about Flash SEO??

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02-08-2008 05:33 PM  10 years agoPost 11
kiwidave1

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What matters most to me is that the site looks and functions the same across all browsers.
DJ, I didn't mean any offence, just having a joke.
Yes, I couldn't agree more with the statement above and I think the validator (and by extension xhtml) is too strict to be practical even on transitional. I can't see a time when every site has to be strict so backwards compatibility will need to be a factor for atleast the forseeable future.
Started as a flash question but moved to a more generic web design type topic.

By the way, I think your site is sh1thot and would love my site to look as flash (there we go back to flash )

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02-08-2008 05:34 PM  10 years agoPost 12
AceBird

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live text on your page, page title, and meta keyword/description tags are your best friend when it comes to SEO.
I think regular changes to the site or “index” page triggers the crawlers to move your listing to the top. A stagnant site is going to fall to the bottom of the list pretty quick. I don’t know this for a fact but it seemed to happen to me when I was active with webpage uploads.

Unless your site is a porn site flashing doesn’t buy you much anyway.

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02-08-2008 05:47 PM  10 years agoPost 13
aambrose

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I don't mind that the topic shifted a little. It's all good info.


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02-08-2008 06:00 PM  10 years agoPost 14
vrwired

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Let me add in. I happen to be a professional webmaster for a living.. Everyone here is correct in saying that google will not spider your flash..

One "trick" if you really want to have an all flash page is to put the flash in a layer <DIV></DIV> and then put real html text below that layer...

This way when the flash loads it will hide the text, but the text will still be in your page and Spiderable (is that a word?)..

One thing is .. usually the flash will take longer to load than the text so the text will show for an instant.. to help concile that you can make the text "almost" the same color as the background color. You cant make it the same color because the search engines know about that trick and will ignore (or even remove points)..

Also.. if you know javascript, you can make it so the page does not load until the flash object is loaded.. or make a splash page the loads the flash invisibly... then jumps to the real page.. the real page will load instantly with the layered flash already to go!

To tell you the truth.. I hate all flash sites.. I think it is good practice to use it where needed (animation, smooth tranparency, forms, sliders, slideshows, etc..) and use html elsewhere...

Mixing is always better I think.

Ajax is also pretty cool for the dynamic loading of content.

Always take advantage of metatags, titles, graphic "alt" names and such.

Also. I do mosy my validation using a real browser mostly.. I have mac And PC computers.. and test in vasious browsers...

good luck...

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02-08-2008 06:11 PM  10 years agoPost 15
aambrose

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Cool! Thanks!


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02-09-2008 05:54 PM  10 years agoPost 16
okiefarmr

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If you use Mozilla Firefox web browser it has a lot of built in tools that will help find coding errors. Also has a built in spell checker as you type. Pretty cool browser for free. If you see some thing on a web site you like you can find the code for it using Firefox.

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02-09-2008 06:19 PM  10 years agoPost 17
d-bledsoe

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Ouch, i got 62 validation errors on my site, thats a handy website david, and will be put to good use when i do a redo of our current site

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02-09-2008 10:32 PM  10 years agoPost 18
kiwidave1

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I just got through doing my site according to the validator, and althought it was a lot of work, it helped me write cleaner code and I noticed that the text now loads first, which is great when someone is on a super slow connection ( like on this slow as as$ iPhone).

Cheers

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02-09-2008 11:29 PM  10 years agoPost 19
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We are moving away from flash for this very reason.
(search engines)

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