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02-10-2008 04:26 PM  10 years agoPost 101
spork

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No SuperSpeedway will ever be a true race because of the draft and physics.
Why does drafting make it "not a real race"?

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02-10-2008 04:50 PM  10 years agoPost 102
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Because 10 cars will always beat 11 cars. So if your popular and can get more people behind you, by you name(JR, Gordon), or by your car make(Chevy), you will always win. So even though you have drivers that are far superior racers and drafters they will never win because they don't have the reputation to make the pack go with them(Stewart, Busch)... Basically you can't win a superspeedway on your own, you have to have help from multiple cars. Thus IMO making it not a (real "fastest car wins" race.)

2 examples would be
1. Last night Tony Stewart had the fastest car easily, but he only had a couple toyota's helping him on the low line. Mean while you have hendrix 's 4 cars and most of the other cars on the high line.

2. Kyle Busch vs Mcmurrie last year. You had Mcmurry on the high line with 3 roush teamates and 3 hendrix cars up high. Down low you had lonely kyle busch and kurt busch. If kyle hadn't been leaving hendrix they wouldn't have hung him out and would have pushed him easily to a victory.

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02-10-2008 05:16 PM  10 years agoPost 103
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Because 10 cars will always beat 11 cars
Don't you mean that the other way around?
Thus IMO making it not a (real "fastest car wins" race.)
I thought you were supposed to have the fastest car, best driver, best crew...

If it's just about the fastest car we can skip the race and work out the results in the lab. If it's about the best team (including every aspect of getting around the track the fastest) there's only one way to resolve it... see who crosses the finish line first.

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02-10-2008 05:17 PM  10 years agoPost 104
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correct I mean 11 beats 10.

No fastest car means crew, driver, equipment, not shirts, hats, and friends.

And you right there really is no point in running the superspeedways. We already know 1 of 3 cars will win it just by there popularity and teammates alone.

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02-10-2008 05:27 PM  10 years agoPost 105
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Let's say you were "investing" in the fastest team. Then you'd probably count anything that helped them get around the track fast. Even if it was hats, friends, and bribes.

As far as I know NASCAR does whatever it takes to make it a close race. Don't they slow down the faster cars if they consistently turn too fast a lap time? How is that a better race?

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02-11-2008 06:04 PM  10 years agoPost 106
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Nah they don't slow down cars so much as just make them follow the rules closer. For instance last year with the 48 and 24 cars. They came out winning and dominating everything. Then when it became obvious to everyone they had or did something different, the car was inspected much closer finding that they were pushing out their fenders. What nascar likes to do is play with cautions and caution laps to help certain drivers. Like when mark martin got beat by Harvick. Everyone knows and knew Martin won that race while nascar just sat on there hands. Or last year when kurt busch was tearing up Watkins glen and he decided to be safe and pit for fuel and goto the back. The whole feild was 20 laps short of fuel and nascar just ran lap after lap under caution till everyone could make it. While busch still climbed from 32 to 11th. Or when we had that race last year when half the feild pitted and tony stewart and a couple more cars stayed out for the rain delay. Then after the track dried TS was so short on fuel they let the cars come into pit on the following lap when they were supposed to run 2 laps then open the pits. Nascars pretty much gotten busted with their hands in the cookie jar. When it was just JR cautions the majority of the fans looked the other way. But they went to far and ratings show it.

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02-11-2008 06:09 PM  10 years agoPost 107
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Investing and sponcership are alot more complicated then "the best car or driver" Certain cars will not have alcohol sponcers, and some brands are very specific on what demographic they want. For instance Mark Martin and Viagra. Thats a very hard mold to fill for viagra. Or imagine trying to have tony stewart drive for betty crocker. Or micheal waltrip drive for MADD. Or City Finacial Group sponcering the currently in jail for tax faud HAAS.

But if all else fails do what Miller did and get a controversial driver like Kurt Busch. He actually gets the most air time in nascar next to the 24 car. But thats just because they count commercials too.

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02-11-2008 08:02 PM  10 years agoPost 108
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Investing and sponcership are alot more complicated then "the best car or driver" Certain cars will not have alcohol sponcers, and some brands are very specific on what demographic they want. For instance Mark Martin and Viagra. Thats a very hard mold to fill for viagra. Or imagine trying to have tony stewart drive for betty crocker. Or micheal waltrip drive for MADD. Or City Finacial Group sponcering the currently in jail for tax faud HAAS.
I shouldn't talk before the deal is inked, but it looks like I'll be driving for "Depends" (I'm an old man of 46). I'll drive the entire race at 55mph with my right blinker on - and I assure you Depends will get their money's worth.

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02-11-2008 11:01 PM  10 years agoPost 109
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Max you have absolutely no friggin idea what you are talking about....nascar does not throw cations to "help" drivers, nascar throws cations because of unsafe conditions, debris on track and so on..now does that mean they have never made a bad call...no, but they do not do as you claim....get a grip. Now that being said, do I like the bush boy's...no, but can they drive..yes of course they can. but if you think nascar is out to get them and others like them only to "help" as you say only the popular drivers then you are blinded to the whole sport and should follow something more you pace like tennis or crockett.

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02-11-2008 11:25 PM  10 years agoPost 110
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Ya know, say what you will about Nascar, maybe it's so popular because it is the most reachable on a human level. And I'm not talking about the fact that we all drive cars. The following is just one example...

Eury dedicates Junior's Shootout win to mourning teammate: #88-Dale Earnhardt Jr crew chief, Tony Eury Jr. was shocked upon returning from the Sprint Cup test session at California Speedway to see Joey Arnold, one of his car setup specialists, working feverishly in the shop on one of the #88 cars. Arnold's 5-year-old son, Cayden, had died just days beforehand. "I said 'Joey, what are you doing here?'" Eury said. "I mean, what do you say to a guy whose 5-year-old kid just died? I didn't know. I couldn't believe he was there." Arnold's response was one Eury won't soon forget. "He said 'This is my best chance to win the Daytona 500, and I want to be a part of it,'" Eury said. Eury was so deeply impacted by the scope of that statement that his eyes welled with tears recounting it Sunday just before pole qualifying at Daytona. "His son had a lung issue, I think, and he couldn't run from here to that generator," Eury said, pointing out a distance of about 20 feet, "and he'd have to go back inside and lay down for the rest of the day. "But that day [he died], he ran down the driveway, down into the cul-de-sac and back up the driveway. They all stood there like, 'Wow, what was that?' He came in, went to sleep and never woke up." So when Eury's #88 opened the 2008 Sprint Cup season in Victory Lane, the win was dedicated to Arnold. "To me, that kind of dedication from that guy -- that meant a lot to me, so I told Joey that was for him," Eury said. "It took a lot of heart and emotion for him to walk in that shop, so I told my guys in Victory Lane [Saturday] night: That [checkered] flag, hold on to it, it's going to Joey Arnold."(full story and quotes at ESPN.com)(2-11-2008)

Nascar, beyond any other sport, is approachable whether it is the drivers, the teams, the tracks, etc. We see the members of this sport as people much like ourselves.

As for the racing, in my opinion, there is no better. Pompous folks will cite that all they do is turn left. Well.....you have never "watched" a race then. Do yourself a favor and watch the race on sunday and try to understand the strategy. Or if you dont think you can sit around for that long, watch the truck race Friday night. The Craftsman Truck Series is by far the best racing anywhere....period.

Chris Elliott

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02-11-2008 11:54 PM  10 years agoPost 111
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The truck series is WILD!!! lots fun there for sure!

and well put castle

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02-12-2008 02:31 AM  10 years agoPost 112
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Thanks for posting that Chris,, Thats the true spirit of Nascar, and the people behind the scene,, XGM/VGM
Craftsman Truck Series I really fast paced, and rubbin is racein in Trucks,,

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02-12-2008 04:51 AM  10 years agoPost 113
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OK nascar has virtually come out and admitted playing with the cautions. If you really think that the cautions just seem to fly a certain way by chance then you must also think hulk hogan is a great athlete. C'mon man wake up. Nascar doesn't out and out fix races. Look at it like this. They can't pick the winners, but the sure as hell can pick the losers. I've got hundreds of hours on tape of nascar bending the rules for certain drivers. I'll start making a highlight film now. Gimme a week or two.

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02-12-2008 02:40 PM  10 years agoPost 114
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Conspiracy- Yes, Nascar now has that also!!

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02-12-2008 07:11 PM  10 years agoPost 115
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OK nascar has virtually come out and admitted playing with the cautions. If you really think that the cautions just seem to fly a certain way by chance then you must also think hulk hogan is a great athlete. C'mon man wake up. Nascar doesn't out and out fix races. Look at it like this. They can't pick the winners, but the sure as hell can pick the losers. I've got hundreds of hours on tape of nascar bending the rules for certain drivers. I'll start making a highlight film now. Gimme a week or two.
Well.....I dont know if I'm ready to jump on the "Conspiracy Theory" yet but I have noticed alot of "Debris Cautions" comming out late in the race especially when fuel mileage or tires are a concern. But then again, they always seem to get a picture of it and I say "Yep.....that would suck to run over", so I dont know.
They need to make sure all parts (including Roll Cage Padding) and Drivers effects (i.e. Gloves) have a car number permanently affixed, then hand out Points penalties when found. A couple of drivers start loosing points....there wont be any more Mysterious Debris Cautions.
Just my opinion.

Chris Elliott
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02-12-2008 07:55 PM  10 years agoPost 116
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I would pay to see F1 drivers and NASCAR drivers swap.

Then you can see how apparent the driving skill gap really would be like.

Jesse

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02-12-2008 08:14 PM  10 years agoPost 117
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I would pay to see F1 drivers and NASCAR drivers swap.

Then you can see how apparent the driving skill gap really would be like.

Jesse
Yeah........F-1 would finally get exciting after the first turn of the first lap..........and there would be some pompous F-1 drivers looking for jobs after the first 6 races because they couldn't produce the results.

I'm a F-1 fan but as I've said before.....when you can predict with certainty who the winner is going to be based on who is in front after the first turn of the first lap........well, there's something wrong with that equation.

Chris Elliott
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02-12-2008 08:23 PM  10 years agoPost 118
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Until a tire blows or you get some car-car rubbing action.

Then all hell breaks loose.

Jesse

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02-12-2008 11:43 PM  10 years agoPost 119
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Nascar
I can't watch racing that was faster in 1985 than it is now. If you want to watch some racing, watch AMA Superbike, World Superbike, or MotoGP. Now that is racing! Race Car Drivers wear fire suits, and Motorcycle Racers wear leather, because fire suits wouldn't hold their Big Balls! Check it out.....

I made a mistake once, but I was wrong?

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02-13-2008 03:17 AM  10 years agoPost 120
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If what you are saying is true, and I don't believe it is, and nascar threw cations to "benefit drivers" then your theroy would only be true if they only allowed "certain" drivers to pit, since all drivers can pit at any cation thrown regardless of validity, then ALL drivers have the same opportunity to make their cars faster...so it does not benefit "only certain drivers" if you can't make the right adjustments then you lose.

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