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02-07-2008 09:04 PM  10 years agoPost 1
darkfa8

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was the first pod and boom helicopter kit the Kalt Baron of 1976?

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02-07-2008 09:11 PM  10 years agoPost 2
heli_headcase

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Um...I don't think so...
Hey Dan,

I don't believe Kalt had any P&B heli's until the 80's. Where did you get your info?

I believe the very first P&B heli of any commercial significance is the Schluter Heli-Baby of 1975. If I'm wrong, someone please correct me.


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02-07-2008 09:15 PM  10 years agoPost 3
darkfa8

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my info is sourced directly from a historical account of Kalt R/C Helicopters in one of their sales brochures.

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02-07-2008 09:26 PM  10 years agoPost 4
heli_headcase

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1976?
That's too weird. All Kalts I've ever seen from that era were scale machines. I'll have to dig up my 1980 Kalt brochure and see if the same historical time-line is mentioned. Regardless, the Heli-Baby is still earlier by one year.


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02-07-2008 10:47 PM  10 years agoPost 5
BigRagu

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First "Pod & Boom" or "P&B Kit" this is a trick question right???
Steve-o
First P&B rights had to go to Gene Rock's SSP . . .Right?

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Or maybe my "Trainer" for the Kavan Jet Ranger . . .mmmm?

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02-07-2008 11:07 PM  10 years agoPost 6
heli_headcase

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I don't know...
First P&B rights had to go to Gene Rock's SSP . . .Right?
All right linguine breath, then my vote goes to the Whirlybird 505! HA!!!


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02-08-2008 12:59 AM  10 years agoPost 7
BigRagu

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P&B Trainer
HH . . .I added my Trainer to my Gallery
One trip to the Hardware Store and some old Ply that was laying around flew stable as can be!!

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02-08-2008 01:22 AM  10 years agoPost 8
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Nice photos

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02-14-2008 01:13 AM  10 years agoPost 9
darkfa8

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I'm looking for historic info on which P&B was the first commercially available kit.

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02-14-2008 01:31 AM  10 years agoPost 10
heli_headcase

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Guess you have to define what you understand as being a "Pod-and-Boom" heli design. I still say the Whirlybird 505 qualifies. If you'd like to stay with a more modern heli design approach, the Heli-Baby would be the winner.

Anyone else?


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02-16-2008 11:17 PM  10 years agoPost 11
helidad2

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I was thinking the dubro 300 with the O&R was the First pod and boom type . I know my buddy Terry had one before I got my Helibaby.

even a blind hog finds an acorn now and then

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02-17-2008 12:55 AM  10 years agoPost 12
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And before the 300 there was the dubro 505 ,,that was a pod and boomer ,,,back in 71 or so

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02-17-2008 01:03 AM  10 years agoPost 13
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What I said...
And before the 300 there was the dubro 505 ,,that was a pod and boomer ,,,back in 71 or so
Exactly

How do you define Pod-n-Boom anyway? Open to interpretation...


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02-17-2008 01:38 AM  10 years agoPost 14
helidad2

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I have been digging through some old mags from 72,73,74, and wow the heli movement was in a big upturn and dave grey and grady howard were a couple of the big dogs in that hunt I didnt realize. I found a constuctrion article for the dubro tristar and scanned the whole article but I cant download now because I am on dialup but I have about 10 mags so far that have articles I would love to post . I have a picture from RCM in an article John Gorham wrote that has Ernie Huber in the First Inverted hover on November 10 1979 I will try to scan this pic and post it I hope it is ok to post old magazine pic as they are out of business and I will give credit . but the Nova hughes 250 kit from Japan could be a contender for one of the first P&B helis . I dont know but if the 505 is a pod and boom it is probably the winner

even a blind hog finds an acorn now and then

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02-17-2008 02:31 PM  10 years agoPost 15
HFr

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my def of pod and boom would be this : pod in the front and a seperate boom sticking out the back .. if the pod extends from the front clear to the tail rotor ....then it is a fuselaged bird ...ie. the fast shark fuselages put on pod and boom Xcells to make them FAI fast .
And while we are on this ... the first bird (full scale fuse ) probably was Schluters cobra .. Saw pictures of that ...what around 1968 or so and we are talking "kitted " birds ...not homegrown tinkertoy types here .They were probably a ton of those even before 1960

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02-17-2008 04:34 PM  10 years agoPost 16
helidad2

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I dont know when it hit the market but there is a full blown construction article onthe schluter huey cobra in the july 1972 issue of RCM it is about 10 -12 pages with many pictures if that helps set the time line
" The radio controlled model of the Bell Huey Cobra was designed by Dieter Schluter in Germany and was the first completely successful radio controlled model helicopter in the world as well as the first to be offered as a comercial kit ."
Written by Don Dewey in july 1972 hope this helps date some of these things
David

even a blind hog finds an acorn now and then

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02-17-2008 04:45 PM  10 years agoPost 17
heli_headcase

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Slightly refined definition...
Let me add this: P&B heli's are not representative of any full scale aircraft. As much as the Hughes 300 (Du-Bro variation) gives the appearance of pod-and-boom, the fact that it tries to emulate a recognizable aircraft from Hughes makes it a scale subject and out of the P&B classification IMHO.


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02-17-2008 05:46 PM  10 years agoPost 18
HFr

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You are right on that P&B ,,forgot about the 300 and Bell 47 's

I remember seeing an article in one of the magazines around 68 about Schulters cobra ...so I assume it was out in Germany around then ,,,just not here yet .
These guys really had visionary ideas way back then .

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02-18-2008 07:41 AM  10 years agoPost 19
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The first inverted flight in my mind was performed during the flight show of the "Challenge Graupner Cup 1979" in Lausanne/Switzerland at september 2nd 1979 from Ulrich Baudrexel from Munich/Germany. He used a Graupner Twin-Jet fuselage and has built a mechanic with a very high positioned motor for a good CG in inverted. Also the pitch range was doubled and the transmitter got a triple switch for reversing pitch/elevator/tailrotor.
He flew inverted in forward flight and finished the flight with a half negative loop upwards.
Here a pic from an old magazine:

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02-18-2008 05:56 PM  10 years agoPost 20
human213

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Steve is correct,
by any definition, the 505 was the first pod and boom, period.

What were the dates of Mike Maas' claim for the fist inverted flight,
as he has publicly declared previously?

The Germans, and Ernie, flying full scale fuselages inverted in the old days...
well, let's say they had more than intestinal fortitude...

m

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