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02-07-2008 02:59 PM  10 years agoPost 1
kameonr

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Rogers, MN

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Hello guys and gals!

Okay here is the situation that I would love your help with.....

Myself along with two other best friends caught the heli bug and have decided this is something we would like to have fun with and get into over time. As always everyone is swords out ready for battle but I am more of a steady guy and decided to research some more. Having read over the forums a bit in the new person corner....I have come to the conclusion of several key factors 1. Start slow, 2. Practice, Practice Practice, 3. Know its an investment 4. Know that it will be an expensive addiction.

Now....I am the learning type, my friends are as well, but need stimulation to keep them intersted (yep its a male defect we all have) :P

Anyway, I now already have Aerofly Software for the sim practice...just need to get a good radio for that (suggestions please for those that might have that software, again, nothing to pricey as the better models will be for when we move up to the bigger league copters)

Now the part that I know will be a sensitive topic for most of you pros

I need to help keep the interest in the hobby by getting a hands on feel of a small and inexpensive copter (around $100 or so).

I know that is a touchy request as I know they are all garbage, but I need to have something we can at least have fun with to past the time until we can get into building (which we really want to do)....but we are definitely committed enough to not go out and jump into a huge heli which could be dangerous and just plain dumb as this is a serious sport and not just a hobby if not done right.

Key points as to why we are not investing more at this time....both my best friends are about to have their second child and so I dont want to get them into too much money going out until they are ready...they will be fine, but just being a good friend not getting them in to deep until they are fine (plus i figured with the much needed sim practice it would be a while before we got into the real heavy expense, so i foot the bill for that part).

So.....please, lend me your brains.....

thank you in advance

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02-07-2008 03:16 PM  10 years agoPost 2
smcbmw

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The biggest mistake I made was buying a small heli without any flight experience! If I had it all to do over again, I would of bought a quality simulator (realflight, fsone, etc...) which will cost you around $200. This will save you a ton of money because I turned my $100 small heli into a $500 dollar peice of junk (crash after crash after crash). If you decide flying isnt for you, then you can always sell the simulator but it is hard to sell a crash $100 heli. If you have someone available, get with a pilot who can teach you both the build and flying aspects of heli's/////

10-8

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02-07-2008 03:23 PM  10 years agoPost 3
GyroFreak

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you can always sell the simulator but it is hard to sell a crash $100 heli.
I strongly second that point.
Recovery from a crash on the sim is just a pushbutton away, recovery from a model crash (and you will have lots) is days and many dollars away.
I use RealFlight 3.5 and found the response is very realistic, so my eye hand coordination was between good and poor when I finally flew a 30 size bird. You can also practice things on the sim that you would never try on your bird.

I think about the hereafter. I go somewhere to get something, then wonder what I'm here after ?

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02-07-2008 03:28 PM  10 years agoPost 4
kameonr

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Well I am covered on the software (SIM), I went with these guys http://www.aerofly.com/

But just need to get a Radio that I can use with it (which I am open to suggestions)

The $100 heli is more for early practice after we get the hang of the Sim and want to give it a shot...I am well aware of the risks of crashing so we wont do any flying with them until we feel ready...I just want some model suggestions that you guys maybe are aware of in that price range with the background knowledge of why I am going cheap for this copter....I know it wont be "great" or even that "good" but just something that we can slowly play with as we get comfortable without having to make a heavy investment right now...we will invest just giving them some time to get settled to their new "second child" life.

thanks again

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02-07-2008 03:38 PM  10 years agoPost 5
GyroFreak

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I started with the CX2 coaxial after the sim. It's slow but easy to learn and gets all your stick co-ordination (collective cyclics) as to what does what in reality. It's a forgiving little bugger and cheap to fix. BUT, it's $180, and it includes everything and is truely ready to fly when you take it out. It uses the 2.4mhz so no or very few glitches and the transmitter is a full size normal transmitter (stripped down to only the features you need for the CX2). I still fly it indoors and have fun with it even now that I'm up to a gasser.
Welcome and have fun.

I think about the hereafter. I go somewhere to get something, then wonder what I'm here after ?

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02-07-2008 03:42 PM  10 years agoPost 6
JRjoe

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No such thing as a good $100.00 heli

E-flite Blade CX2 is probably the best cheap heli out there.

A good radio would be the DX7.Buy nice, buy once.

If you really want into this hobby you better be totally ready to spend $1500.00

Take the plung and go have fun. I highly recommend you seek out your local field /pilots. This is where all your future help will come from.


JRjoe.....
Indoor plumbing??? No, we don't need that!!!

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02-07-2008 03:52 PM  10 years agoPost 7
axemanclint

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Cypress, Tx. USA

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Hey Kameonr,
Welcome to this lovely and addicting world of RC helicopters...you have no chance of ever going back! LOL

Well i was in your exact shoes when i started out, only i didn't have a sim to practice on. I first bought this little cheap $20.00 2 channel heli just on a whim. I was already flying RC planes and just thought well i want something i can fly in my house. i bought this little heli and really actually had alot of fun with it. Well i needed something bigger and a little better. I made the trip to the LHS and found the E-Flight Blade CX2. it is a co-axial heli, that comes equipped with a DSM 2.4 ghz radio and everything in the box ready to fly for only about $150.00
it is a really great heli and fun to fly. the co-axial blades make it much easier to fly and learn on, cause its more stable and you can fly it in your house. I would highly suggest if you want a small bird to start out with just to have fun and see if its something you really want to do, then go with this heli.

It will quickly get your Hand-Eye skills up and teach you the orientation of a heli. I am now flying a raptor Titan 50 and a T-Rex 450. i have a few other helis also that are cheap but after only flying RC helis for about 7 months now i am doing full 200' autorotations, loops, nose in flying like crazy and all kinds of other stuff. I really attribute my fast learning to the little CX2 i started with and then quickly moving up to the Collective Pitch heli's. It is alot of fun and you will never want to stop. Hope this helps.

Oh and when you do invest in a radio, don't skimp on this area. the radio is one of the most important things and will be with you a long time and can fly all of your birds.

I fly a Futaba 9CHP FM, soon to be converted to FASST 2.4ghz. Definitely go with 2.4 technology whatever radio you get.

"what goes up must come down," hopefully in one piece!

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02-07-2008 03:54 PM  10 years agoPost 8
smcbmw

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Louisville, Kentucky

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You can usually find either a cx or cx2 for sale pretty cheap in the classifieds here on RR....

http://runryder.com/t406485p1/

( I am no way affiliated with the above link, It just likes like it might be a good deal)

If I was going to buy a "cheap" bird, these would be the ones. Stay away from the others, you will spend more money and time trying get them to fly right than actually learning any hand/eye coordination...

10-8

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02-07-2008 04:11 PM  10 years agoPost 9
GyroFreak

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Oh yeah, forgot to mention, the CX2 does not do well outside. The slightest breeze will carry it into some object. I suppose this is true of all micro helis. As for the CP, it is a really twitchy lil bass turd and the tail rotor motor is constantly needing repair. Stay away from anything that has a tail rotor in the micros. The coaxial like the CX2 fly exactly the same (pitch roll yaw) but are more reliable. But you won't be doing acrobatics with them, they are just to slow and gentle.

I think about the hereafter. I go somewhere to get something, then wonder what I'm here after ?

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02-07-2008 04:26 PM  10 years agoPost 10
kameonr

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Rogers, MN

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Thank You guys very much for your response, I really do appreciate it.

One last question.....

In case I have a difficult time finding a hobby shop near me...is there a good place online that you guys all stand by that sells good Helis?

I get nervous with all these SUPER deals sites that i know will turn out to be bad news!

thanks again

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02-07-2008 04:43 PM  10 years agoPost 11
Crash3D

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Reno, Nevada

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If you're going to go cheap, you might as well spend your money on a good sim, and even that will run you more than $100. It's like you said, it is an expensive hobby.

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02-07-2008 04:49 PM  10 years agoPost 12
redvtr1000

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covington, GA

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Hi Kameonr,

Welcome to RR, plenty of good info here. I started with all the same questions, so don't feel bad.

Someone suggested the dx7 for a radio, I second that notion. It may be a bit more costly than a hundred bucks, but it is an investment that will stay with you for many helis (and planes if you so decide). The blade cx2 is a pretty popular coaxial heli, the Lama series also seems to get a lot of good reviews and it costs less so you may want to look there.

Plenty of options online for good stuff.

Amainhobbies.com
Heliproz.com
rcheliworkz.com
towerhobbies.com
helidirect.com
ronlund.com

None of those will dissapoint, Stay away from Ebay and chinese deals you will most likely get burned. Classifieds on RR might work for you too.

You can always use the search feature here on RR or other forums, enter the name of the hobby store and search. If they have bad reviews, you will most likely find someone elses post discussing it.

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02-07-2008 09:59 PM  10 years agoPost 13
kangarooster

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Orlando Fl-USA

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Get a GOOD sim and a large jar.
Spend 100 hours of serious practice.
Put a dollar in the jar every time you crash.
After this if you still want to fly you will have enough money to buy a heli.
If you decide you don't like it you will have the money to have a party with your buddies.

P.S. The cheapest beginner flyable helicopter and radio is going to cost $650.00

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02-08-2008 12:15 PM  10 years agoPost 14
bagobitz

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saddleworth,lancs,UK

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I'll second th "good sim and a jar!"

Realflight comes with a dummy Futaba transmitter, It's plasticky,but excellent sticks and switches

G4 has recently come out,with slight improvements in graphics and controller...but it appears to fly NO DIFFERENTLY.

Plenty of good deals in the classifieds ,fleabay, model press, on G3.5...AND it needs a lot less computing-power than G4.

That would be your absolute best $100 investment,AND it comeswith adaptor-leads so you can slave a "proper " transmitter off the Realflight Interlink controller,-use either ,or 2 can fly at once

(browse the "sim " forum)

Flame suit on!

The "good radio for life" mantra is rubbish!..all the guys telling you to buy te "ABC" have UPGRADED to it....and in 5 years' time, the "ABC" will be old-hat and the "DEF" will be more glitch-proof,have more memories,better mixes, make tea and bacon butties, and another dozen reasons to ditch the "ABC"

As budget is a major constraint, I'd suggest you look carefully at the RR classified's, Many people try the hobby,but quickly find that money doesn't buy skill and they can't /don't want to invest the time needed to learn,,,that's where you can benifit, buy carefully and get about double for your money

It's the way I went and have no regrets(though G3.5 was brand new and a birthday gift from my kids)

I could sell my gear tomorrow and probably get all my cash back.

(though I've blown a lot on crashes!)
My JR xp 662 transmitter came with the heli, has more features than I need and I,personally, won't outgrow it.

The heli, (Rap.30) may well get traded-up in the far future,but meanwhile does just fine.

people disagreeing, should consider,-you don't normally learn to drive and go out and buy a brand-new Porsche...most start with a simple, used "banger" then trade-up as skills and cash-supply improve.

What's so different about this hobby? (not bringing Chinese toys posing as proper models ,into this )

edited typo, Vhinese , to Chinese

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02-08-2008 01:14 PM  10 years agoPost 15
jal250r

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Mankato, MN, US

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I started out with a G3.5 sim and a Raptor Titan 50. I skipped the hole small heli thing. I figured I would learn on what I wanted to fly and that was 50 size nitros. Im very glad I did and crash parts for raptors are everywhere and cheap. I would save money while you fly your sim and buy the right heli when you can fly. The DX7 seems to be a very highly used radio. They are always for sale in the Classi. for under 200 bucks, so that could be a choice. But thats my two cents

"Feed the Need to 3D"

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02-08-2008 03:10 PM  10 years agoPost 16
Invrted1

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Cincinnati, Ohio

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Welcome to this lovely and addicting world of RC helicopters...you have no chance of ever going back!
I could not have said it better myself. You will find it frustrating, humbling, and tough, but there is satisfaction in success! Do your homework, read everything, and get lots of sim time

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02-08-2008 03:21 PM  10 years agoPost 17
SBMC

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Weinerville, GA

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Seems to me like there's a good Hobby Shop there somewhere.
I don't remember where right off hand...

......Peter Sacks

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02-08-2008 03:26 PM  10 years agoPost 18
SBMC

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Weinerville, GA

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Here You Go:

http://www.kingkonghobbies.com/

......Peter Sacks

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