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02-07-2008 10:22 AM  10 years agoPost 1
atomicmak

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Ahmedabad, Gujarat, INDIA

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Hi,
i am struggling with what to get as first heli as i found so many + - reviews on different products.

my concern is to fly heli and learn stable hovering on my first heli and then lift some point and shoot camera to learn AP shooting on that then buy a new bigger size heavy gasser to lift pro camera kits.

please guide what to choose as first to learn.
need detail specs on what other things i should buy ..
budget is limited right now.
i do have futaba 6ex 2.4g tx/rx
so i would need other things to buy ..

please guide me.
mak

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02-07-2008 11:33 AM  10 years agoPost 2
Ed1955

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Pocono Mountains, PA USA

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Take this advice from someone that wasted a ton of money buying the wrong machines to learn to fly. I strongly suggest either starting with a Blade CX2 to learn basic stick control and orientation or go right up to a T-Rex 450 SE with training gear. Also, a simulator will save you quite a bit of money in crashes. Don't even consider something with an electric motored tail. You'll do nothing but chase the tail and you'll end up getting very frustrated. If you're on a very tight budget I would start right off with the 450 and just set your radio up mild and use flybar weights and training gear. Also consider the RADD school available on line for free. This will really teach you the basics of control. Just remember one very important rule "In the beginning, Hover, Hover, Hover" which is basically learning to walk prior to running.
Respectfully,
Ed

Progression of Addiction, CX2, T-Rex 450's (2) & finally a T-Rex 600E, Electric Bliss!

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02-07-2008 05:01 PM  10 years agoPost 3
helibird

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St. George, UT

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If your ultimate goal is large gasser AP I'd start with a SIMULATOR!! It's the number one tool for learning heli's. After that I'd really go with a 50 size nitro. You need to get used to how these bigger birds fly so starting with a 450 might help you get started but I wouldn't suggest jumping straight from a 450 to some huge gasser heli.

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02-07-2008 06:07 PM  10 years agoPost 4
kcass518

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Port Washington, NY - USA

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I think if your goal was to fly in a small area, or somewhere where noise was an issue, the TRex would be fine. But since your goal is to carry camera equipment and to trade up to a larger machine, you must have a flying field nearby where you can do that. That being the case, I would start with a Raptor 30 or a Hirobo Sceadu, or something like that that you can get local help and parts with. Larger helis like the 30s or 50s are more stable, easier to control, and easier to see than the smaller 450s, and they cost less, too. Parts are more expensive than they are for the 450, but they're still reasonably priced. And, you could put your camera gear on a 30 or a 50 as soon as you felt comfortable doing that. I'm not sure a 450 would be able to carry as much. A sim is a very good idea, and you should probably start there. I have plank flyers at the field telling me how difficult it is to fly a heli on the sim, but my opinion is that it's much easier to fly the sim than it is to fly at the field. Mine is older (RealFlight G2), and it seems very forgiving to me. So if you have trouble with the sim, you might want to wait a bit before hitting the sky. And, as Ed said, Hover, Hover, Hover! You might also look into the FMA Direct Co-Pilot. It helped me get into forward flight very easily and I highly recommend it. That's my .02

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02-07-2008 06:33 PM  10 years agoPost 5
Sean Williams

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First, learn on a good sim like Phoenix. You can use your current tranny for it. Learn to fly on that, and you can probably jump straight to a gasser.

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02-07-2008 06:43 PM  10 years agoPost 6
GyroFreak

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Orlando Florida ...28N 81W

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I started with the CX2 coaxial after the sim. It's slow but easy to learn and gets all your stick to brain/eyesight co-ordination (collective cyclics) as to what does what in reality. It's a forgiving little bugger and cheap to fix. It's about $180, and it includes everything and is truely ready to fly when you take it out. It uses the 2.4mhz so no or very few glitches and the transmitter is a full size normal transmitter (stripped down to only the features you need for the CX2). I still fly it indoors and have fun with it even now that I'm up to a gasser.
Welcome and have fun.

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02-08-2008 03:07 AM  10 years agoPost 7
atomicmak

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Ahmedabad, Gujarat, INDIA

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hi all,
thanks for all your replies

here is the link to show you my learning on sim.
i use phoenix and trained little bit hovering

please review and suggest me

http://youtube.com/dzinepixel

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02-08-2008 03:18 AM  10 years agoPost 8
GyroFreak

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Orlando Florida ...28N 81W

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Excellent flying on the sim. Is the jerky display because of youtube, or is that your computer graphics being too slow ?? If it's that jerky on your computer it will make it even harder to fly any fast moves. Any way you are well on your way. If you can do on the sim, you can in theory do it for real. But the problem is you will be up tight and may over correct on the real one (I did) so make sure you get help on things like setting up the expo to reduce sensitivity at neutral stick.

EDIT:
I see you are in India, so local flying clubs may be hard to find in your area, so make sure you come back to this RR forum for help and suggestions.

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02-08-2008 04:18 AM  10 years agoPost 9
alexz

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shakopee mn usa

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take your time
Take your time is a understatement. Unless you have a lot of cash to blow, and it sounds like you don't. I would say to save your money for the heli that you really want. Buying more then one heli just to learn how to fly one heli is stupid. After you have the hover down in all 4 views, then go into the menu and start to increase the wind and gust to the point were you can fly in any condition in the sem. Don't forget to practice your auto landings.

A cool thing with the sem is that you can change the rats and the weight to more soot the real heli. For exp. make the servos faster than any that you can buy and increase the time multiplier/rates so that the Heli is really responsive. You get that down you can master any heli in real life. If I did it you can to.

I did this, I got one of those blade cps for my first heli. I hate the thing with a passion. That and I spent just as much on it as I would have on a 30 size heli.

That's why I say that you should just save your money for the Gasser.
The bigger the slower they are. That and if this is for taking pic. it's not like you are going to fly that thing around like a 3d'er

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02-08-2008 04:44 AM  10 years agoPost 10
TJinGuy

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Socorro, NM - USA

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I am new to this hobby also and I have learned a lot fast. Here is my 2
cents

- Don't even consider a Blade CP or CP Pro or any other heli with a motor driven tail.
- Go with a heli with a plastic rotor head. Stay away form the CNC heads because you will break it and it will cost you a lot to fix. The plastic heads work just as well, especially for a beginner.
- A 450 sized heli should be a great place to start. Look at the T-Rex 450S, Mini Titan, Belt-CP or Blade 400. If you can, buy a kit and put it together. I am learning that buying a RTF or ARF gets you in the air faster but it also leaves you in the dark as to how the thing really works.
- Sims are great for teaching your thumbs how to fly but you have to fly the harder helis. The big gassers are way too easy. Try something like an Axe CP or Blade CP. They will be super twitchy and that will help you more.

Hope this helps

- Chris

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02-08-2008 03:25 PM  10 years agoPost 11
atomicmak

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Ahmedabad, Gujarat, INDIA

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thank you all
i'll sure keep those all suggestions in mind and make further decisions.

btw
thanks GyroFreak for your comments and you are right that i am on my own to learn heli flying in india as i have no club or instructor over here and so i bought tx/rx and learning on phoenix.

i am photographer by profession and right now i am on official shooting trip and will be back on Wednesday and will start flying again on my sim with smaller trex 450 in all direction hovering.

my youtube video's captured with software and runnning sim so eating memory and cpu thats why its little jerky but real fell without recording is smooth.

all i can say is i am really impressed with runryder members who are so much helpful.

will post my update's soon once i get back to my office.

regards
mak

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