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02-06-2008 08:00 PM  10 years agoPost 1
macsgrafs

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Title sound confusing? It does to me to so let me explain a few things clearly. I already have a blade 400, which today cost me £29 to put right after a crash. Now I know the servos on the blade are crap, even the gyro is worthless. so to upgrade all the servos & gyro is going to set me back another £230 ($460). Would I be better spending the money of a Titan 320 as I hear they are more stable or should I go for a larger heli, more stability & I can then use it for my ultimate goal of carrying a canon stills camera. Something like the logo 600 or even the trex 600, but the trex is 1/2Kg more than the logo....that's the weight of my camera!!!

I'm so stuck here guys, any chain of thought would be nice on this. I have the Mrs on board & she will go with the majority on this one.

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02-06-2008 08:15 PM  10 years agoPost 2
randerson07

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I have a Blade 400 and a Mini Titan e325. The Mini Titan with good electronics(I run a Gy401 with a 9650, and 3x Hs56's) is much easier for me to fly. I can Hover the Blade pretty well, but I fell its controlling my movements, where with the Titan, I fell that Im controlling the Heli.

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02-06-2008 08:19 PM  10 years agoPost 3
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There is no comparing these three. They are all very different helis. If you plan on sticking with this hobby then go with what you can afford, and can afford to crash. If you are fairly new then the Mini titan will be fine. If you want unmatched performance (for 4-5 minutes) then the logo would be the way to go. If you want to really learn and get better buy a 50 sized nitro. Double the stick time and no expensive batteries to purchase.

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02-06-2008 08:19 PM  10 years agoPost 4
Nashville

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Oh, I personally would NEVER stick a bunch of money into a Blade 400 so you are down to two choices, good luck.

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02-06-2008 08:38 PM  10 years agoPost 5
CLB

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Hi macsgrafs,

I have a Mini Titan and an Evo .50. The Evo is a great heli. I bought the MT to fly in the backyard for practice. I bought the MT after the Evo and was really surprised at how stable/enjoyable to fly it is.

So, here's a vote for the Mini Titan. I've never flown either of the others.

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02-06-2008 09:21 PM  10 years agoPost 6
doorman

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Your Ultimate Goal....
I can then use it for my ultimate goal of carrying a canon stills camera.
If you want to add a camera later on the go with the 600 class heli... and it is your choice as to which you fly, IC or Electric.. both have advantages...
And as far as stable goes, the 600 class will be the best and will take you ANYWHERE you want to go.... also better resale later...
Might be best to see which is more available at your LHS for parts...then choose between the Logo for the Rex... both are excellent machines....and fly great.

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02-07-2008 11:06 AM  10 years agoPost 7
macsgrafs

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Many thanks to all you guys.

STAN: Yes I agree it's down to spares, to be honest I can't find many places that stock logo 600 spares, where as the Trex 600 has spares in nearly every heli shop.

J.D.WILSON: I don't want smelly dirty things around my studio...no wonder the other guys keep sending me out on location shoots all joking apart, I want to stick with electric for transportation reasons..don't have to haul around the accesories to start nitro.

RANDERSON07: Yes I know EXACTLY what you mean, my Blade does feel like it's controlling me, hence why I thought about the titan.

CLB: I have only ever hovered my Blade 400 at present & flown a Twister Hawk, but I have a goal in mind & the Titan seems so stable in Phoenix..I know it's a sim, but if sims train front line fighter pilots.... So I'm still confused here. The Trex 600 seems the best way, trying to cut out expenditure along the way. I look at it like this, "If a 5 year old can fly it...."

Many thanks guys for the much valued input.

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02-07-2008 12:10 PM  10 years agoPost 8
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******** I don't want smelly dirty things around my studio...no wonder the other guys keep sending me out on location shoots all joking apart, I want to stick with electric for transportation reasons..don't have to haul around the accesories to start nitro.
you will carry just as much, if not more for a large electric heli than a nitro.

With a large electric heli, you will need 1 or 2 very good (and also expensive chargers), balancer(s)(depending on how many chargers), a good 12v deep cycle battery to use as a power supply at the field, and still about 2-3 batteries so downtime will be limited. Or you will need around 4-5 batteries if you want to get as much flying in a day as a nitro.

With my nitro, it is fuel bottle with pump, and my started which has its power battery attached, and my starter shaft. I also take my voltage checker, and soon a spare duralite once it gets nice. I have a lot less to take to the field than the guys who fly the large electrics when we are going to be there all day.

So you might not want to count out nitro, especially if you plan on doing AP work.

You know you have to many heli's only when your wallet is empty.

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02-07-2008 01:43 PM  10 years agoPost 9
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man, I'm not comfortable being associated with that quote. I request my name be removed from it heliboy. I prefer nothing but dirty smelly things around my "studio"?

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02-07-2008 04:37 PM  10 years agoPost 10
Jeff polisena

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I think it all comes down to $$ I would stay away from 400 if you plan to stay in hobby you will grow out of it the other 2 depend on how much $$$ you want to spend on start up check out part price for repairs and price of batteries both machines will fly well you have to go with what you like

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02-07-2008 05:02 PM  10 years agoPost 11
macsgrafs

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you will carry just as much, if not more for a large electric heli than a nitro
A pocket full of batteries, a few allen keys & jewlers screwdrivers..what more could be simpler

I only live about 6 minutes from a flying site by foot & I park my car about 1 mile away, so I seem to walk most places, trying to lose a bit of weight at the same time. I'm not ruling out nitro, had plenty of 40/60 powered aircraft in the past, but I hate the noise that goes with it, means you have to jump in the car to get away from noise sensitive areas.

All I'm after is a stable platform for my camera, I have £1000 ($2000) budget to work within, camera gear I have already.
man, I'm not comfortable being associated with that quote. I request my name be removed from it heliboy. I prefer nothing but dirty smelly things around my "studio"?
I'll come & kip on your studio floor

JEFF: I can see some logic in your reply, I think I have convinced myself that a 600 size will be the way to go, just looking for some backup from you guys now

Thanks again for the suggestions guys
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02-07-2008 06:43 PM  10 years agoPost 12
HakimG

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Get an Acrobat SE. 10min flight time on 4S 4000mha Lipos. Decent size, able to carry a cam up to 1kg, but you have to spend a little cash. Trust me its worth it, I dont earn lots but spending every thing I can on this bird is just worth it.

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02-07-2008 07:59 PM  10 years agoPost 13
macsgrafs

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Who makes the acrobat SE? What size is it my friend.

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02-08-2008 05:20 AM  10 years agoPost 14
HakimG

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http://www.eheli-tuning.de/

Its about a 500 size.

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02-08-2008 11:05 AM  10 years agoPost 15
bagobitz

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Ross, I think you should invest a few of these cold, dark evenings perusing thee AP sub-forum...bigger is most definitely better in their discipline.

I've seen absolutely no mention of a GASSER, so far....whilst a new one might be A pocket full of batteries, a few allen keys & jewlers screwdrivers..what more could be simpler out of reach, there are good used ones to be had, they are magnitudes cheaper to run, even with unleaded at £1.05 a litre
A pocket full of batteries, a few allen keys & jewlers screwdrivers..what more could be simpler
*visualises pocket the size of a rucsack,stuffed with exploding lipoly's shorting on sundry tools*

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02-08-2008 12:57 PM  10 years agoPost 16
doorman

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Gassers
I am a firm believer that the gasser is the way to go...(check my gallery) when it comes to lifting, no smoke and smooth with plenty of options for blades and gear ratios....
But if you are set on staying with electric, which the initial post implied, then the 600 class can do a very good job for you...
Lets not turn this into a IC vs Electric.... each has it's benefits and good and bad points....
The bottom line here is what macsgrafs wants to do and what will suite him the best....
And parts availability is a major factor....
I fly all three types and I enjoy each and every one of them... and each has it's own set of "Field" equipment... But the gasser seems to have the least

Stan

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02-12-2008 12:56 AM  10 years agoPost 17
macsgrafs

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Some good comments about gassers. I didn't realise they ran on petrol....I thought it was a make
What a newb I am. Anyway you say they dont smoke...how loud are they? I am very noise aware should I say & the sound of a high pitched engine screaming it's bit's off does nothing for me I'm afraid, that's probably why I prefer electric. But havign said that I'm open to ALL suggestions. Has anyone heard of the Quick 60 or the outdo? made by quickheli...they look the business as well.

Checked out the Acrobat SE, very nice, but shame the site is in German!!!

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02-12-2008 01:13 AM  10 years agoPost 18
doorman

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Gasser/Noise....
I fly the Vario gasser and with the stock exhaust, you can hear the blades more then the engine... very mellow sound... when you get into nitro the noise level will increase considerably since they run at a much higher RPM...don't get me wrong, you can hear the zenoah engines running, but not a harsh sound to them...
I will leave comment on the Quick heli's to someone that is familiar with them..

Good Luck... Stan

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02-12-2008 11:14 AM  10 years agoPost 19
macsgrafs

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Thanks for the info Stan, so what is a prce to get that heli in the air with engine, dont worry about giro & radio gear just the full heli + engine?

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Ross

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02-12-2008 11:44 AM  10 years agoPost 20
bagobitz

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Where noise-level is concerned, Electrics give a loud, extremely high-pitched whine....whilst this is quieter than an IC engine, it's IMHO, far more intrusive

Gassers use chainsaw-type engines,but are better silenced...there IS smoke, as they're 2-strokes,but the oil quantity is so small that there's little more than the faintest haze...definitely no oil plastered over the equipment.Long flight -times(over 1/2 hour),built-in pull-start and you can have an on-board generator, which gives another layer of safety.

their biggest drawback is vibration (Absence of which is the major plus for electric.) also, as they are generally BIG they're also expensive (guessing $2,000 to $3000 in the air)

Unless you're EXTREMELY lucky, you'll need to hold a comprehensive stock of crash-parts,as net-purchasing is likely to be the only spares option.
I'm sure someone with patience and initiative could quieten a 90-size nitro to a "socially acceptable" noise-level but this will undoubtedly rob power(not a major issue, but Nitro's expensive and they're not noted for economy)

gasser appears to be the long-term solution for you, but in your shoes, I'd get a used, large electric to "get the hang of it" before spending serious cash and risking a camera needlessly.

A future consideration could be a Turbine!....smooth as silk...awesome power,but a real fuel and cash-gobbler!

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