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02-10-2008 08:23 PM  10 years agoPost 101
Dood

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untill they get the brown out problems solved under 3.2v
Thats not a problem of Spektrum's. Thats a problem of the modeler.
cheap batteries, tiny gauge wires, and high current drawing servos don't mix.

If someone has a brownout and results in a crash due to rx shutdown, thats his/her own fault, and I dont feel the least bit sorry him.

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02-10-2008 09:11 PM  10 years agoPost 102
AirWolfRC

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Not quite.
The Spektrum takes forever to re-initialize after a "brown-out".
The DX6i finally addressed that problem by reducing the re-boot time.
Not sure about the DX7 or X9303.
Another one of the details Spektrum omitted from their spec sheets.

The older non-Spektrum systems did not have that problem of taking forever to re-initialize while the heli or plane is in a quick, undesirable and uncontrolled descent .

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02-10-2008 09:52 PM  10 years agoPost 103
Dood

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The Spektrum takes forever to re-initialize after a "brown-out".
The DX6i finally addressed that problem by reducing the re-boot time.
Not sure about the DX7 or X9303.
^^ its called "quick connect"
And the "problem" has been resolved on all Spektrum rx's.
Its a rx firmware update.

The DX6i has nothing to do with anything.

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02-10-2008 11:47 PM  10 years agoPost 104
AirWolfRC

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The DX6i has nothing to do with anything.
From what I recall, the DX6 (system) did not have that "quick connect", nor did it have 1024 resolution as was advertised.

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02-11-2008 12:41 AM  10 years agoPost 105
Dood

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Quick Connect is new.
Its a firware update that rx's are eligable for that were made before like July 2007.

The DX6 was 1024 resolution.

Anything else you wanna know?

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02-11-2008 01:07 AM  10 years agoPost 106
tadawson

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Well, in my case, I don't plan on ever switching back to 72Mhz. That may not be practical for everyone, I understand.
So what? All that means is that you would never change the module . . . it still does not explain why you are against a modular system. Do you anticipate the integrated system being cheaper, or ? ? ? If the modular system had the same function at the same price, it would seem to me that you are getting more for your $$$, and that it would be more desirable . . . Please explain!!

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02-11-2008 02:41 AM  10 years agoPost 107
Razmo

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Guys,

The 12X is a fantastic transmitter and is fairly priced at $1,500.00 in my opinion. As Jkos said, there are several highly efficient transmitters on the market for affordable prices.

Come on guys, these complaints are low. Change takes drive and dollars drive the world we live in. It's a great thing. It's low to complain about expense when you have the opporunity to work for it.

Raz

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02-11-2008 07:50 AM  10 years agoPost 108
seattle_helo

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Well, in my case, I don't plan on ever switching back to 72Mhz. That may not be practical for everyone, I understand.
So what? All that means is that you would never change the module . . . it still does not explain why you are against a modular system. Do you anticipate the integrated system being cheaper, or ? ? ? If the modular system had the same function at the same price, it would seem to me that you are getting more for your $$$, and that it would be more desirable . . . Please explain!!

- Tim
Tim, the modular system will be priced the same as the integrated. But cost has nothing to do with my preference.

Because I will never use another 72Mhz RF link again, it would not make sense for me to buy the modular 12X. I will not have any reason to insert a 72Mhz module into my transmitter. If for some remarkable reason I would have to use 72Mhz, I would use an old 10X or 8103, but I don't anticipate that. This move to the 12X will mark a clean departure for me from 72Mhz.

I like knowing the device is purpose made for SS and that I'll never need to switch antenna types. And I like knowing that I'll always have servosync and modelmatch active.

The whole point of modules, long before synthesized versions existed, was to be able to conveniently and legally switch frequencies in your transmitter. SS does away with all of that. Anyone who is going all SS has nothing to loose by choosing the integrated version.

If you plan on changing to SS over time or later down the road, then the modular choice makes sense if you want to enjoy a 12X right away. It's nice that we have the choice.

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02-11-2008 09:40 AM  10 years agoPost 109
hootowl

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If you plan on changing to SS over time or later down the road, then the modular choice makes sense if you want to enjoy a 12X right away. It's nice that we have the choice.
Some people just want a dedicated SS radio. Doesn't matter if it's less capable, they just want 2.4 only.

The integrated units should cost less since there is less hardware.

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02-11-2008 10:54 AM  10 years agoPost 110
tadawson

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The whole point of modules, long before synthesized versions existed, was to be able to conveniently and legally switch frequencies in your transmitter. SS does away with all of that. Anyone who is going all SS has nothing to loose by choosing the integrated version.

If you plan on changing to SS over time or later down the road, then the modular choice makes sense if you want to enjoy a 12X right away. It's nice that we have the choice.
My point is that if SS goes to 900MHz, 5.8GHz, or whatever, it's nice to have that option looking forward. And model match, etc. is fully operable in the 12X modular, so there is nothing to give up, other that possibly the entire radio, if something new comes along, and you are not modular . . . seems like cheap insurance to me, but to each their own . . .

- Tim

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02-11-2008 10:57 AM  10 years agoPost 111
tadawson

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The integrated units should cost less since there is less hardware.
About the only thing less would be the plastic for the module case, and maaaaayyyybbe a connector . . . In all likelihood, though, I would bet that the modular and non modular are the same exact electronics, connectors and all, and only the case is different - one allowing you to pull it out, that the other closing it off inside . . . could be wrong, but from an economics and design standpoint, that's about the only thing that makes sense . . . . considering they both have identical functionality . . .

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02-11-2008 03:19 PM  10 years agoPost 112
AirWolfRC

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Quick Connect is new.
Its a firware update that rx's are eligable for that were made before like July 2007.
The DX6 RX's are not and will not be upgradable to the quick connect feature. The 6100 RX will do quick connect but it does NOT work with the DX6, only the DX6i
The DX6 was 1024 resolution.
False. The DX6 system is only good for 256 resolution because the base TX it was built on is only capable of 256. 256 is all you can get out of the RX. The DX6i is supposed to fix that.
Spektrum advertised 1024 even though they knew of the limitation in the DX6.
Anything else you wanna know?
Yes, why do you believe something just because a manufacturer puts it in print ?

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02-11-2008 05:34 PM  10 years agoPost 113
seattle_helo

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Mike, I'm loving your hilarious signatures.

Tim, you may well be right that the SS band used for RC changes one day. It could. But I've got to tell you, I don't think it will for the foreseeable future. The expense alone of redeveloping makes it unlikely. But more importantly, no one has seemed to discover any intrinsic flaws with operating on 2.4GHz. It has quite a track record now and the success rate has been very good. Great even. So, I'm willing to make what I consider a safe bet on this technology and enjoy the benefits it offers. Unfortunately, in the past, I have wasted far more than $1500 on things a lot dumber than a DSM12X!

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02-11-2008 05:37 PM  10 years agoPost 114
OICU812

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Yes funny signatures indeed, I gotta tell ya that Blue Screen on this tx is calling me though!

...Once upon a time there were Nitros, flybars and frequency pins...

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02-11-2008 06:01 PM  10 years agoPost 115
joeycoates

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I too preffer the modular system for the same reasons that others have already pointed out. Flexability is a good thing in my book because if it can happen it probably will. 2.4 was good enough for cordless phones as well, until they went to 5.8 etc.

This is not knocking the 12x, it looks like a pretty hot setup, but I myself still have a drawer full of 72MHz so I like being able to use both with my tranny, all I have to do is swap modules.

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02-11-2008 08:01 PM  10 years agoPost 116
tadawson

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The expense alone of redeveloping makes it unlikely. But more importantly, no one has seemed to discover any intrinsic flaws with operating on 2.4GHz.
You must not read the same stuff I do . . . there is a 900MHz system announced already, just awaiting FCC approval, and the RF hostility of the 2.4GHz band, and it's less than ideal suitability for RC is extremely well documented. 2.4 was chosen because of easy access to off the shelf parts, and not for any particular benefit of the band.

At any rate, I've said my bit here, so am going to walk away from this thread . . . .

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02-11-2008 08:10 PM  10 years agoPost 117
tauscnc

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The Plantraco is a 900 mhz system. Micro stuff but still 900 mhz.

BTW tadawson,

Where are you finding this info from? I ask because I am a 12X buyer canidate

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02-11-2008 08:27 PM  10 years agoPost 118
hootowl

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XPS announced a 900mhz system

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02-11-2008 08:31 PM  10 years agoPost 119
tadawson

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Well, whether you like the company or not, XPS has announced a full function, full range 900MHz system which is apparently build and is just pending FCC approval prior to sale/shipment. That was announced on their support page on the site with R, C, and Groups in it's name . . . there has also been a lot of technical discussion there, as well as out in the "Universe", if you get my drift, as to the suitability of 2.4 overall . . . the general consensus, is that since 2.4 is open to pretty much anyone that wants to develop something there, that it is getting crowded and pretty hostile as an environment. 72 MHz, like it or not, has RC on dedicated, exclusive channels (at least in the US) so the biggest risk is an adjacent signal on an out of spec transmitter, or the guy at the other end of the flight line. There are ZERO other services allowed to transmit on the exact 72MHz RC frequencies . . . (Not defending 72 here, just providing clarification . . ) Yes, we share the 72MHz BAND, but not the specific frequencies WITHIN the band.

That, and the know ease of shadowing at 2.4G (which gets worse as you go higher . . ). That's why 900MHz is getting some attention - it's low enough that it's harder to shadow than 2.4, but high enough to be out of the realm of most RC induced noise.

- Tim

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02-11-2008 11:49 PM  10 years agoPost 120
OICU812

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Curious though, 900meg,,,, wonder how the range will be, equal to existing 2.4 systems?

...Once upon a time there were Nitros, flybars and frequency pins...

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