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02-06-2008 09:34 PM  10 years agoPost 41
SSN Pru

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pretty limited
I'd say from my experience that it's about half of the new enlistees that join for this reason. The other half join to serve period.

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02-06-2008 09:50 PM  10 years agoPost 42
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It is pretty damn easy for people who have never volunteered to serve to sit in their chair spewing garbage out of their mouth, reading statistics and reports from the NEWS! about how the military in general feels. But, I served for 13 years, I transferred to a new command every 3-4 years. Large commands with truckloads of personell and I can probably count the number of people that didn't like their job, or were in it just for college money on all my fingers and toes. Out of thousands, there were a few. Everyone else wanted to be there, wanted to do their part for thier country. Be it patriotic, a sense of need, a sense of self worth, whatever they wanted to be there. So few have taken advantage of the college while in and even well after getting out.

One thing for sure is most enlistees seek out the recruiter not the other way around. There are some instances where a recruiter will follow up with someone but they dont target the destitute lol.

It doesn't matter where they move the recruiting station to they are only increasing or decreasing the taxes expended to open it again in a more expensive or less expensive area. If there is a recruiter station open it will have customers.

Just my .02
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02-06-2008 10:12 PM  10 years agoPost 43
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It's true about a lot of people enlisting into the military have pretty limited choices.
That I would not disagree with, but he said
Many of the guys who enter the service are poor and have no other alternatives.
And that is just not true. No one is MADE to enlist, not anymore. And there are other options such as Peace Corps for one.

The thing I love about the service (and I did serve) is that we have a CHOICE to serve or not. I support people's right to serve if they want to serve. If they do not want to serve I support that as well.

But these folks in Berkley are trying to prevent people from being allowed to make that choice. IMO that is not only wrong, but not something a City Council should be allowed to do.

And, the military is what you make of it. I did a few years and it paid for my college and I got to do a bunch of cool things (how many here have free fell from a CH47/C130/C141?) Other people make it a career. Some just do their time and leave. And all of that is fine.

But some City Council should not be allowed to limit peoples legal choices.

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02-06-2008 10:19 PM  10 years agoPost 44
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Message to all the self-righteous chestbeaters:

I live near Miramar MCAS and I know Marines who are sick of the phony patriotism themselves. They wonder where everyone was before 9-11. They wonder why Americans weren't 'supporting the troops' beforehand. They know that this administration has used the catchphrase "support the troops" as propaganda to push their idiotic war. They feel used and exploited and don't feel that they are doing what they were trained to do being in Iraq.

I have no problem with the military. I come from a military family. I have seen the good things that the military can do for a family and for individuals. But there are a number of people who agree with me that the military is being abused in this campaign in Iraq.

Extending their tours while at the same time cutting funding for those who are injured or who need mental health care after coming back from Iraq is tantamount to treason in my book.

(Yet the same people in this thread who are supportive of the military are STILL supportive of the Bush admin. Brilliant!)

I suspect that is part of the reason the people of berkeley are against sending even more kids over there.

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02-06-2008 10:57 PM  10 years agoPost 45
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The dip$hits in Berkely are just trying to make a statement and gain publicity for their own agenda. They could not care less about the troops, or the war. They are socialists, hate this president, and will do and say whatever to make sure their voice is heard. Just like Hanoi Jane sitting on the gun, John Kerry being, well, John Kerry, and all the protesters that piled into Suburbans to go protest oil abuse, and made protest signs on big paper boards(that were thrown away afterward) to protest cutting down trees. It's what they do, and who they are. They buck the government, will turn on their own in a heartbeat, and basically just protest whatever they can. It's like a hobby for them...we fly helis on weekends, they stir up crap...

If everyone is thinking alike, someone isn't ...

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02-06-2008 11:55 PM  10 years agoPost 46
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Lou still dodging any response to the first two questions but came in "beating your chest" about military uses and abuses. Sorry, the same tour extensions have existed for every war, supported or not and hey wouldn't you know this war is no more supported than any other by those who think that war solves nothing. Congrats you have an opinion, I support that. Well we all know it takes a fair division between a good ass kickin and a warm handshake, and hey all of those that dont participate in war are doing so much better!! Aren't they?? Trust me if to much liberal influence didn't cause us to make "friendly war" things would have gone far better, much different, and a whole lot faster. But then again the no war weenies make the slow rules even though we have to send our boys to possibly pay the ultimate price.

BTW how in the hell did you manage to drop Bush into this conversation. You cannot participate in a discussion about anything without tacking on your political agenda. Stick to the topic meathead and you would probably be treated with a fair bit more respect. As of now I have little for you but that's one military mans take. You could have supporters somewhere who knows.

BTW we are not self righteous chestbeaters, common mistake of identity made by other men who have low esteem. We were given the ability to identify within ourselves self worth, the satisfaction of a job well done, The ability to follow through, and most of all pride. If that is being a chestbeater in your book, well your FOOKED in the head. If more americans had any idea of their self worth, a little pride, and had participation in something bigger than their living room, we would be a much better off society. Hell people support their favorite football team more than their own community. If that isn't a problem what is.

You never have anything positive to post or say and that says alot about a person. Noone should carry that much negativity.

A person can make a difference, sorry it has been voted that you are not that person

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02-07-2008 01:21 AM  10 years agoPost 47
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"It is pretty damn easy for people who have never volunteered to serve to sit in their chair spewing garbage out of their mouth,"

I served also.

"Large commands with truckloads of personell and I can probably count the number of people that didn't like their job, or were in it just for college money on all my fingers and toes."

*cough* yeah right *cough*
Did you actually talk to these 'thousands' of people or are you spewing garbage yourself? Most people join because of a patriotic calling?! BWAHAHAHA!

The reasons I saw when I was in was it was a good career to have if you can stand the military life, to learn a skill or earn some college money. I NEVER met someone in the military that was there because of a patriotic calling. I'm not saying they don't exist but you make it seem more common than it is. Talk about spewing garbage.

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02-07-2008 01:51 AM  10 years agoPost 48
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That is you and yes I have talked to many and still have many many friends in the mil or around me since most of them have met retirement.. I guess there is a difference in the militaries, as varied as the persons in them. I loved it, everyone around us loved it. There are quite a few here on this forum that are still in and love it. Garbage, no, not spewing any garbage just personal experience you are probably one of them 20 or so that I described. Cant please them all but the majority are happy to be there and the minority like yourself are just lost souls looking for what they are. I was an brownshoe in the Navy, met very few people that were disgruntled in travels around the world.. You must of stayed at home or a ConUS base. Sounds like it wasnt the life for you and you changed your life to something else. Everyone has an opinion you have yours I have mine I notice I informed you of how many years I served. Did you serve more than one tour?

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02-07-2008 02:58 AM  10 years agoPost 49
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4eye
*cough* yeah right *cough*
Did you actually talk to these 'thousands' of people or are you spewing garbage yourself? Most people join because of a patriotic calling?! BWAHAHAHA!

The reasons I saw
Why should your view hold more credence than his? The truth, like always, is in the middle I bet.

I know people that hated it, and I know people that loved it. I know people that did it since they had nothing else, and I know people that did it out of love of country.

Me personally I didn't really like it when I was doing it...The running all the time, living in the woods for weeks at a time, ruck runs, swimming in cold water in gear...anyone that was enjoying that while in the middle of it has a few screws loose. I am glad I did it since I learned a ton about how far I can actually go....And lets be honest, I played with some cool toys (MP5SD's, HKM4's, AT4's for example), learned some neat stuff, and did some things civilians don't get to do (MOUT training, firing 88mm howitzers, I melted a barrel on a M240 once ). And I made some life long friends in the process.

That being said I am glad I did it, but also glad I moved on. The reason people serve are their own....I just don't like how some do not want to give people the ability to decide for themselves.

You military guys will get a kick of this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7QI4XiXHUk

Oh, and simunitions hurt

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIvf...feature=related

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02-07-2008 03:41 AM  10 years agoPost 50
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damn smacked in the sack with a chalk bullet.. That has to suck serious bad. lol.. Never got to do MOUT training but I got some serious stories about SERE training.

I can agree there may be facets of the mil that didnt have the same flair to them as us aviation types but speaking from my experience there are very few disgruntled avaiation military. and Amen to life long friends.. Nowhere in the civilian community have I found the comradre that was present wherever I went in the mil. It usually didnt matter from country to country either cept for a few bar fights Civies dont have it and wont have it they dont understand the brotherhood at all unless they have had direct contact with it.

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02-07-2008 08:10 AM  10 years agoPost 51
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Wallbanger, the problem with guys like you is you didn't have anything before you joined the military so the military is all you know and all you have...obviously.

You serve, but you dont even know why you're serving. You're serving your country, not a president. Patriotism means defending your country, even against your government if need be. This pResident has relentlessly attacked the Constitution yet you do nothing but blindly support whatever he does or says.

If you would have ever taken a Civics 101 class you might know these things. But I guess we dont pay you to be educated about our system, we pay you to take orders...

The Greeks had a tradition of not allowing the military class to get involved in politics...there might have been some wisdom in that...

BTW, (for all you phony patriots) I fully supported the Afghanistan effort and the effort to catch Bin Laden and was pissed when the Deserter-in-chief called the troops off when they had OBL cornered in Tora Bora...

I was always against Iraq because I dont think we should be in the business of nation building...(especially if it means spilling our young mens blood for it...)

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02-07-2008 01:26 PM  10 years agoPost 52
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Man you sure know a lot about me for us to have never been introduced. Oh it must be your secret society.

For one, my family is quite well off, I had 3.87GPA but still left school my Jr year, yes at age 17 to join the military. I love how you read I didnt know the difference between serving my country and serving my president. I know damn well I served my country, but after all, the president in our commander in chief. So ultimate I was following his orders while in service. That's a no brainer, unfortunately you think there is some sort of magic line, some seperation of duty that can be rung in whenever you decide. I served 'My Country" for 13 years, been there done that, been to many countries, and now once again you are assuming. Have I once stated here that I support or do not support our current presidents position? No, that is your conjecture, you are so caught up in your own politcal agenda that you even automatically assumed I have served under the current president. You are so out of touch with reality that you have to invent you own, and the funny part is none of it is from experience LouinSD.. All of your ranting and raving is all from conjecture and media, but oh sorry not mainstream media your own special media. Nothing you have personally experienced or had a part in whatsoever. For your information I have been out of the military longer than the current president's term.

OH and by the way.. you still drag the topic away from it's original content and still cannot answer the two questions asked of you that are also off topic.. This tells me you have your own agenda and cannot play in the playground. All you can do is say the same sheit over and over and over again. I really think you need to start your own thread, at least that way you can be on topic. This topic started with a town voting a recruitment station out of the area and you are stuck on presidential ranting.

You really should get out more enjoy a little life. However if we must be off topic answer the first two questions then answer these. What are you doing for your country? How are serving it and protecting it from the gov? Oh I forgot you are sitting in a chair typing on a heli forum about how disatisfied you are about the current outmoding president.

Now that there is funny ****

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02-07-2008 01:36 PM  10 years agoPost 53
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Give it up louloubell you screwed the pooch. No matter how much you try you wont turn this around all you have done is proven your ignorance even more to everyone else.

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02-07-2008 01:44 PM  10 years agoPost 54
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Large commands with truckloads of personell and I can probably count the number of people that didn't like their job, or were in it just for college money on all my fingers and toes.
Sounds like he was a recruiter!

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02-07-2008 02:15 PM  10 years agoPost 55
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Wallbanger, the problem with guys like you is you didn't have anything before you joined the military so the military is all you know and all you have...obviously.
Pure speculation on your part. You claim to know everyones whole life?
You serve, but you dont even know why you're serving.
No, the guys that serve know why they serve...YOU don't know why they served. You not knowing does not mean anything but YOU don't know. Of course THEY know why...THEY DID IT! And since you didn't serve in any way, maybe you should not assume why others would/did.
You're serving your country, not a president. Patriotism means defending your country, even against your government if need be
This shows you know nothing about the military at all. Everyone that served made an oath.

"I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."

So you serve your Country by following the legal orders of the President and other officers.

And they drill into you that "according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice." That says you are not allowed to follow an illegal order. But you would not know that since you never served.
If you would have ever taken a Civics 101 class you might know these things.
And if you had ever served you would know that you have no idea what you are talking about...BTW, I have done both. Taken a Civics class, a class on the Constitution, AND served in uniform. From all that I can say you don't know what you are talking about.

I am amazed you claim to have a class in Civics, yet do not seem to understand how the legal/political/military system works. Unless the orders of the President have been over turned by the SC...they are legal. And as for Iraq....Well, Congress voted to allow the President the use of force. So that would mean it was not illegal.
The Greeks had a tradition of not allowing the military class to get involved in politics...there might have been some wisdom in that...
1. The Greeks also slept with little boys. Are you saying everything they do is a good idea? If so, may I suggest some hemlock tea?

2. This is not Greece. There has been a long tradition of military men getting involved with politics in the US.

Washington
Monroe
Jackson
Harrison
Tyler
Taylor
Pierce
Lincoln
Johnson
Grant
Hayes
Garfield
Arthur
Harrison
McKinley
Roosevelt
Truman
Eisenhower
Kennedy
Johnson
Nixon
Ford
Carter
Reagan
Bush
Bush W

In fact from Truman to Bush W the only one WITHOUT service was Clinton. So I don't care what they did in Greece, the US is not Greece.

If you would...Would you please answer the questions asked of you?

1. Would you support a City Council if they did the same to an abortion clinic?

2. Whats your take on the topic of this thread?

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02-07-2008 02:19 PM  10 years agoPost 56
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The thing that gets me is how people with right wing viewpoints almost always at some point in the conversation insert something about liberal wienies, a$$ kicking, and then resort to further name calling. As long as we can not change the conservation to the realities that are facing this country then all we will do is argue like this in these forums or coffee shops or wherever anyone spouts off the same bull$hit talking points that they heard from any corporate news outlets.

The fact is that most of us reside in the middle and see that there are good people who believe in there cause on both sides of the aisle. As long as we are not talking politics we are at the flying field working on shanks and planks together. We are all American and none of us wish harm to this country or anyone in it. But the fact remains that we do just that when we are here arguing like this. Believe it or not John Kerry was a war hero. He was affluent and could have dodged the war like Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld. The fact is that Bob Dole and Chuck Hagel are war heroes. Bill Clinton was given the same deferments as Cheney and Rumsfeld. George W. Bush served stateside out of political favor and was AWOL for that. There are good people and there are some real sucky people. We are all still Americans. Wake up and quit calling each other names. Read something for news instead of getting sound bites from the bobtube. Try to find and informed source with views that are different form your own. Maybe you could learn something. You already know how you think about it.

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02-07-2008 02:32 PM  10 years agoPost 57
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He still won't answer !!
If you would...Would you please answer the questions asked of you?

1. Would you support a City Council if they did the same to an abortion clinic?

2. Whats your take on the topic of this thread?

I think about the hereafter. I go somewhere to get something, then wonder what I'm here after ?

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02-07-2008 02:38 PM  10 years agoPost 58
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Looks like the little 'Berkeley" is going to get some azz kicking. HA !

http://www.kten.com/Global/story.asp?S=7832341

I think about the hereafter. I go somewhere to get something, then wonder what I'm here after ?

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02-07-2008 02:47 PM  10 years agoPost 59
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tlankford01
The thing that gets me is how people with right wing viewpoints almost always at some point in the conversation insert something about liberal wienies, a$$ kicking, and then resort to further name calling.
You don't see the left doing that as well?!?!?!?

Here is a prime example:

"for all you phony patriots"
The fact is that most of us reside in the middle and see that there are good people who believe in there cause on both sides of the aisle
I agree.

But, you start to speak a good point...Then you start to slam one side.
Believe it or not John Kerry was a war hero. He was affluent and could have dodged the war like Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld. The fact is that Bob Dole and Chuck Hagel are war heroes. Bill Clinton was given the same deferments as Cheney and Rumsfeld. George W. Bush served stateside out of political favor and was AWOL for that
Why did you not write "Could have dodged the war like Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, and Bill Clinton"? You don't claim Clinton "dodged the war". You just say he had a deferment.

See the slant you put on it. When Cheney and Rumsfeld did it it was "dodge". Clinton just got a deferment.

As for Bush...Well you have the right to an opinion, but you nor anyone else can prove he was AWOL.

See the spin YOU are using?

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02-07-2008 03:21 PM  10 years agoPost 60
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If I read that link above correctly, they are earmarked a quarter of a million federal dollars, to create gormet school lunches? I guess "tater tots" don't fly in Berkley?

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