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02-06-2008 03:18 PM  10 years agoPost 21
RCHeliJim

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Why do people who like to identify themselves with the tough Marines always get so melodramatic? It has nothing to do with the troops themselves and I hate when people like you hide behind that tired line. Its disingenuous and phony and cowardly...
It has everything to do with the troops. These recruiters and workers at the recruitment offices are troops. President Bush nor his cronies work in these offices, its standard military personnel from all political backgrounds. This city is against the war so they attack a few military personnel (troops) that work in their city boundaries... how does this stop the war??

You know whats phony and cowardly? Sitting behind a keyboard calling people names - or sitting in a comfy Berkley city office proclaiming and signing petty laws just to satisfy your own ego and make life more difficult for people who dont think like you. I hate to draw the similarity, but what Berkley is doing now is akin to what cities in the 50s did to push out the people that were not "like them" (different religious beliefs, nationalities, color, etc) they didnt want there - think about it...... honestly, as long an this recruitment office was not breaking any real laws, how are they justified?

Anyway, the fact that anyone can think an action like this from any US city is ok speaks volumes.. If this were an abortion clinic or ACLU office being pushed out of a bible belt city I bet you would be up in arms.... double standards rule



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02-06-2008 03:18 PM  10 years agoPost 22
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re: poor people joining the military.

It should be clearly stated that the majority of Enlisted Recruits are generally not from well-to-do families. I can attest to this through first hand experience, not through any statistics!

Many people join the military as a way to help pay for a higher education such as myself. I would not have been able to afford it any other way. I had no alternative.

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02-06-2008 03:27 PM  10 years agoPost 23
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To all of you..
Please force LouSD to answer CKOELIKER"S question.

Lou, since you believe that people should do something about things they believe are immoral, are you OK with a small town banning or trying to get rid of abortion clinics?

I am eagerly awaiting your hypocritical spin.
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02-06-2008 03:39 PM  10 years agoPost 24
Wa11banger

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Hell Im sitting here waiting for him to answer the first question?

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02-06-2008 03:42 PM  10 years agoPost 25
T.J. Kong

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Please force LouSD to answer CKOELIKER"S question.
He'll never answer that question. I can't type what I'd like to say because this is a "family forum." So I'll limit it to, Lou you are extremely self centered, ignorant, selfish, and totally lack any class. You really should try to engage your brain before you type.

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02-06-2008 03:53 PM  10 years agoPost 26
1stPlace

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Many people join the military as a way to help pay for a higher education such as myself. I would not have been able to afford it any other way. I had no alternative.
I am just curious, what alternatives to the military did you explore?

I know there were plenty of other options in the 1990's. Although I did consider the military route, Because they couldn't guarantee that I would get to be a pilot, I couldn't bring myself to do it their way. By staying in the civilian world, I was able to guarantee that I did become a pilot. For me, it seemed like a gamble that I wasn't willing to take.

My brother in law, on the other hand, did take the military route. He ended up quite happy with an outstanding military career. To each his own

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02-06-2008 03:56 PM  10 years agoPost 27
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I am just curious, what alternatives to the military did you explore?
As in someone giving me tens of thousands of dollars? Or grants or scholorships?

I did in fact receive several grants and scholarships on top of what the MGIB and SLRP gave me. It still wasn't enough to cover the cost of even a modest State University.
I know there were plenty of other options in the 1990's. Although I did consider the military route, Because they couldn't guarantee that I would get to be a pilot, I couldn't bring myself to do it their way. By staying in the civilian world, I was able to guarantee that I did become a pilot. For me, it seemed like a gamble that I wasn't willing to take.
I was not naive about choosing a job in the military. I purposefully chose one that allowed me to have a fall back trade in the civilian world. In fact, that helped me get to where I am now!

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02-06-2008 04:18 PM  10 years agoPost 28
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It still wasn't enough to cover the cost of even a modest State University.
If that is the case, then the student loan structures have changed dramatically since I was in school. I was able to cover 100% of the cost of my A&P license, my CFI, a BS in aviation science and an Associates degree in aviation management with loans and grants. The only cost I had to cover out of my pocket were living expenses, until my loans came due. Once they became due, I was able to defer them for several years, until I could afford to pay them back.

One of my wifes friends, a single mother with 4 kids has been milking the student loan system for 10 years now. She gets enough money from that to cover her classes and support her kids and herself. Will she ever be able to pay it back? I seriously doubt it!

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02-06-2008 04:36 PM  10 years agoPost 29
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He said "Many", not "all" people who join the military are poor and limited in choices.

Some people here are skewing his words like FOX News would.

FYI, I also think the the town went overboard with the issue.
Flyboy, you went way overboard with your little diatribe. You basically criticize him for being far left but you sound like your way out there also on the right! Name me one person that is Anti-military or Anti-war. Just because someone is against a fooked up unjustified war doen't mean that person wouldn't support a justified one.

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02-06-2008 04:39 PM  10 years agoPost 30
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He said "Many", not "all" people who join the military are poor and limited in choices.
Yep, and the statistics are different for Enlisted, commissioned, and warrant ranks.

without going to the Army Demographics website, I'll hazard a guess, based upon my experience, that enlisted troops are generally from poorer families than commissioned troops (green-to-gold troops excluded). to get a direct commission when you join, you have to already have a BS (IIRC) which would mean you were well off enough in the first place to go through and pay for college without military assistance.

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02-06-2008 04:45 PM  10 years agoPost 31
RonHill

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Lou
Why do people who like to identify themselves with the tough Marines always get so melodramatic?
Why do people that hate them so much act the same?
If the people on that city council believe the Iraq war is morally wrong, as many Americans do, they think it is the right thing to do something about it...If you believe something is immoral, the right thing to do is to do something about it...that's what they're doing
Would you say the same if a City Council decided that gays do not have the right to live together? If Blacks did not have the right to vote? If Abortion clinics do not have the right to be in a city? Or if illegal immigrants are not entitled to public services such and were to be turned away from hospitals?

All of those examples AND THIS ONE are above the powers of a city council. And ALL would be wrong if they happened.
I dont know if you know how recruiters do their job but its something akin to what a used car salesman does.
How do you know this? We know you didn't enlist. I disagree with that statement and I DID enlist.
Many of the guys who enter the service are poor and have no other alternatives.
Thats not true at all.....No one held a gun to their heads.

Are you saying that you do not want to allow citizens to make a choice in their lives? If they want to enlist, you should not stop them....It is invading their personal freedom. People should also not be forced to serve either.

People should be allowed to make that choice...YOU, nor a city council, should be making that choice for them.

I find it amazing that a liberal is OK with any form of discrimination, Yet some seem to love to hate the Military...To include the regular Joes in uniform. Or how they approve of forcing the public will onto a person....Seems counter to the whole "progressive" ideals.

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02-06-2008 04:53 PM  10 years agoPost 32
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"Thats not true at all.....No one held a gun to their heads."

It is true.
I think the point he was trying to make was that for many people, the military was a way of getting out of where they were stuck at. For example: just out of high school, not enough money for higher education and pretty limited on the jobs they qualify for. He could either stay stuck in a rut that his family is probably used to or try to better himself. Through hard work, the military gives a good chance at moving up.

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02-06-2008 05:02 PM  10 years agoPost 33
1stPlace

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He said "Many", not "all" people who join the military are poor and limited in choices.
No... this is what he said:
Many of the guys who enter the service are poor and have no other alternatives.
I hate it when people think they are limited to only one choice. There are always options. One must seek out all of the options and carefully weigh those options to determine the best path for them. Nobody has to join the military to pay for school. But, that is an option that is available to nearly every able bodied young person.

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02-06-2008 05:16 PM  10 years agoPost 34
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The hypocrisy is what kills me.. A few years ago, UC Santa Cruz had a job fair. The military recruiters where being yelled at. People who wanted to speak to them were being shouted over so a normal conversation couldn’t take place. Basically, it was almost impossible for the recruiters to talk to anybody. If anyone did this to the Peace Corp, an environmental group, or any left leaning political groups, these same people would have been up in arms. Basically, it’s diversity and freedom for what I believe and no one else. To say that the left is open minded and accepting is a farce.

Personally, I have no problem with Berkley eliminating military recruitment. The caveat would be that they no longer get any Federal aid, not for roads, natural disasters, etc. For instance, when the Berkley Hills fires occurred, they would be reliant on only the fire departments within their city limits. State and federal units would not be allowed to respond.

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02-06-2008 05:24 PM  10 years agoPost 35
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The caveat would be that they no longer get any Federal aid, not for roads, natural disasters, etc. For instance, when the Berkley Hills fires occurred, they would be reliant on only the fire departments within their city limits. State and federal units would not be allowed to respond.
LOL Federal Government blackmail at it's finest!

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02-06-2008 05:36 PM  10 years agoPost 36
RonHill

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4eye
It is true.
Are you saying that what he said was true or "no one held a gun to their heads" was true?
I think the point he was trying to make was that for many people, the military was a way of getting out of where they were stuck at.
I agree with that. I just don't understand why some people would want to remove that path away from poverty from people.

I personally think anyone that wants to make something of themselves, no matter what path they chose to take, should be encouraged not prevented.

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02-06-2008 06:21 PM  10 years agoPost 37
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well said.^

I know many people who were going No-where FAST, and Military service turned their life around.

Dropping Tones!

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02-06-2008 06:41 PM  10 years agoPost 38
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I know many people who were going No-where FAST, and Military service turned their life around.
The military is well known for doing just this!

I suggest it to everyone I know that has a child that is military age and is going nowhere fast!

Military service teaches many many core values highly prized by employers later on!

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02-06-2008 07:46 PM  10 years agoPost 39
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I suggest it to everyone I know that has a child that is military age and is going nowhere fast!

Military service teaches many many core values highly prized by employers later on!
I'll second that!

There was a bully in my high school that everyone hated. He was a world class POS. I ran into him several years ago. I did not recognize him, but he did recognize me. He stopped and said "Excuse me sir, is your name Doug?" I realized who he was right then and thought "Oh sh!t! not this a$$hole again?"

As a tear rolled down his cheek, he proceeded to apologize for all the horrible things he had done, and the terrible things he had said about my family. I heartily accepted his apology and asked him what changed him. His response was, "The Marines sir..."

While, I have not seen him since, I do have a whole new respect him and only wish the best for him and his family.

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02-06-2008 09:01 PM  10 years agoPost 40
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RonHill
"Are you saying that what he said was true or "no one held a gun to their heads" was true?"

It's true about a lot of people enlisting into the military have pretty limited choices.

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