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02-10-2008 05:48 PM  10 years agoPost 81
Ronald Thomas

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All I see is you spouting off your OPINIONS and pushing them off as facts. There are very few pilots in the worls who can stress a heli to it's limits whether it is flybarred or not. In this case Cris is able to str8 SPANK and heli and I am sure he has worn bearings and maingears in other helis because ANY flybarless system will allow him to do things with the heli that you cannot attain with any flybarred heli. Don't hate on the man because you can't do it. Sounds like a little jealousy on your part.
Nobody knows for a fact what happened to the mainshaft but I do know one thing for sure, Mikado did not dimiss this event and treat it as "someone testing a prototype flybarless system". They saw the paroblem whether it be user error or not and are taking steps to remedy it.
Ask yourself this: why would Mikado spend lots and lots of money to correct a problem that only one guy has? It sounds like they recognize that this could be a potential problem in the future with more and more powerful motors/setups coming, and they wanted to fix it now. To their credit, that alone is awesome.
I will say it again, if it were not for guys like Carlo and Chris (and countless others) there would never be change in the industry. Not everybody wants to buy a Mikado heli and be pigeon holed into a V-bar purchase if they want to go flybarless.......Ron

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02-10-2008 06:02 PM  10 years agoPost 82
Ticidytoc

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Because they see a potential problem and they are addressing it Ron. It's a little thing called Liability.

I told you it was the future........

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02-10-2008 06:09 PM  10 years agoPost 83
Ronald Thomas

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Because they see a potential problem and they are addressing it Ron. It's a little thing called Liability.
Is it a liability if it is used BEYOND what it was intended or is it a liability if it is used WITHIN specs and it fails? I think you know the answer! My work is finished here!LOL

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02-10-2008 06:17 PM  10 years agoPost 84
Ticidytoc

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My work is finished here!LOL
That's great, now we can get back to discussing the original topic, which was why the main shaft failed in the first place.

Was it a quality issue, design flaw, or a 3rd party device that was being used on the model.

Mine is being used within specs and has not failed, what have been your findings?

I told you it was the future........

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02-10-2008 06:24 PM  10 years agoPost 85
Ronald Thomas

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My 6003D is not off the ground yet, I am waiting on a pinion. I also do not have a flybarless system installed. I ALSO CAN NOT fly like Chris and I do not consider myself to be a 3D pilot by any stretch of the imagination....YET!
I do not know what caused the failure, nobody does for sure. That is why I said let's not blame Carlo's PB system for the failure. Let's do some more investigating first......Ron

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02-10-2008 06:37 PM  10 years agoPost 86
Eco8gator

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Ok Tick, you win it's completely my fault the Logo broke. My common sense is definitally not up to par with yours.

Obviously since you have over 200 flights means I caused the shaft to shear.

Curious do you have any vids of your flying? Id love to see what your def. of "hard flying" is.

Jerry! Jerry! Jerry!

C
BTW: If there was a rating on the shaft I could do some calcs to figure this out.

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02-10-2008 06:42 PM  10 years agoPost 87
misskimo

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I know this seen too well , To me Tic. Ron is like a Tick in the south or a Flea you cant find but bothers you constant.
Hes still a green horn and realy thinks hes a know it all.
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I'm done with this Moronathon. Peace!
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Great! Please leave.

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Yeah, I agree Mikado sees this as a problem, some guys out there are using their product to test a prototype flybarless system and parts are failing. Then these guys are complaining on a public forum that things are breaking, that the Mikado parts are faulty and holding Mikado responsible for a potential safety issue
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So is EVERY other flybarless system not going to work with a Mikado heli? You are obviously not going to think objectively, just going to cheerlead.....Ron

Fully Blinged Swift , Logo 500 3D and soon 3DMPXL-E Flyin Firefighter
Ticidytoc, the fix is coming , the shaft doent have to be much thicker . it wont add that much to the weight.
Ralf seen this happen before , Danials heli went 2 ways at 3DM last year. I think it was that event.
Ron , a dude learning 3D is harder on a machine than an avanced 3Dier.
One of the things I dont like is when people think they are good and quit posting on the forums , Like my S hit dont stink anymore kinda stuff. Where are you ChrisT88?

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02-10-2008 06:56 PM  10 years agoPost 88
Ronald Thomas

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OK miss eskimo
I never claimed to be a 3d pilot. I am learning and maybe I am harder on a heli than the great 3ders.
I am relatively new to the heli scene (2.5 years after a 1.5 years stint 15-20 years ago) but I Do understand a few things:
(1) Helis are inherently dangerous and should be respected
(2) Heli pilots are quick to blame and judge B4 they know all the facts
(3) There are a few people who are helpful ALL the time not just when your opinion is the same as theirs
(4) These things are addictive
(5) I DO NOT know it all, nobody does....especially YOU
I hate it when the opinionated moron from the realm of the Eskimo gets involved. You may have been doing the heli thing for longer than I have but I assure I don't think you should over power and "stretch" every heli before it is good...YEH! LOL.
I will defend myself and anyone else who is just legitimately trying to learn and ask questions from bullies like you who THINK they know everything.
I would love to meet you in person. It would prove a lot of things......Ron

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02-10-2008 07:07 PM  10 years agoPost 89
misskimo

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this is not the place.
alot of hate in those words dude
Im heading to Fl in June , maybe we can fly some. then we can get to know each other in Person to see if theres a difference in how we act online

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02-10-2008 07:08 PM  10 years agoPost 90
Eco8gator

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The discussion on Ezone is pretty prodctive and civil for those who are interested. They are actually talking about shaft stress over there.

Come on guy lets try to get along here. We are not doing any thing positive for Mikado or the hobby bickering about this incident.

We are 3 veteran members going at it when a possible solution has been discussed and implemented many posts ago.

C

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02-10-2008 07:13 PM  10 years agoPost 91
misskimo

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Carlos , Yep! sometimes my winters gets the best of me since they are so long and way too cold.
I think everyone knows what the fix is.
this is closed I would think, done deal, hope your new shaft gets to you quicky

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02-10-2008 07:15 PM  10 years agoPost 92
Ronald Thomas

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I agree. Are you close to getting it in the air yet?

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02-10-2008 07:26 PM  10 years agoPost 93
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Chris is still at EFest laying it down with the Beam.

When he gets back we will start ordering the parts to get it back up. I already have a set of TST's for him. We also have a Power Jazz on the way.

It should be a bad boy when its back up!

C

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02-10-2008 07:29 PM  10 years agoPost 94
Ticidytoc

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Carlo, I just don't get it with you guys. Why are you so focused on someones piloting skills?

I told you it was the future........

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02-10-2008 07:54 PM  10 years agoPost 95
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Why would any one PM you to test my product? Is this the same bunch that PMed you about needing to be worried about this post. They need to PM me.

Test models will be sent out to a very select group but only when im ready.

But if any one is curious its going to cost just under 400 to fix the mechanics. Chris is my top pilot and I trust his skills and opinion.

C

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02-11-2008 01:51 AM  10 years agoPost 96
EricBrandenburg

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FWIW
I'm one of the other probar test pilots. I have a similar flying style to Chris' in reguards to hard 3d. I am using the board on a Logo 10, and I have not had problems with it. I have logged about 60ish flights on mine and I have not broken the shaft. I think that if the boards were causing problems that it would be universal and everything we have tested would have had an issue like this. It seems that the issue is being blown way out of proportion here. I don't see what the problem is about them thickening the mainshaft Ticdy? If mikado wants to change it, whats wrong with that? There is no reason to make a heli overbuilt when it is already on the verge of being too light.

As for the main shaft bearings, Tony, you said yourself that the MA bearings last longer, but you are complaining about the align bearing being bad? It seems that you already know that they wear out prematurely, but this is now the probar's fault? If you expect an align bearing to be going bad and it did isn't that an align quality problem?
Eric

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02-11-2008 02:10 AM  10 years agoPost 97
misskimo

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hey , Im just finding out there bearing are low quality stuff when I bought the trex from Carlos. I need to check mine on my 1st 700 now , you are doing the same thing as everyone else here , blowing it out of proportion from what I was saying , Carlos know what I was saying , dont blow a gasket.
and also , theres a big difference between the logo 10 and the forces of the 600 , so we wont go there

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02-11-2008 03:15 AM  10 years agoPost 98
tabbytabb

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This is just too much fun!

my observations and I don't have a horse in this race:

1. Flybarless is uncharted and stresses a machine in ways that we are not yet familiar with. This inst unnecessarily a Probar problem or a mikado problem. Might not be a problem at all and just a fluke.

2. In instances like this I find it always works better to contact the manufacturer first (especially a responsible and proactive one like Mikado) rather then posting online and working everyone into a lather over a potential non problem. Usually if a collaborative approach is taken then nobody goes on the defensive and things seem to get resolved much more quickly

3. Tone does not come across very well in emails or posts, some of the posts I have read on here instantly made me think "what a douche bag" when really I may have misread the tone of the comment, I am pretty sure on a few posts my judgment is right on the money though

4. What a collection of Type A personalities, I cant imagine a worse crowd to hang out with then a bunch of pilots!

To sum it up:

Carlos - Nice work on the ProBar, but don't act surprised when helis doing crazy things blow up.

Chris - Great flying

Missikimo - Why so grouchy? I think you are suffering from S.A.D from a lack of sun (we get that alot in Seattle)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Season...ective_disorder

Tic - How many times can one say they are done with a thread before it sticks? You seem to be predisposed to think the ProBar is not going to work well, I wonder what the backstory is here?

Ralf - Thanks for a superb helicopter! I have 50 flights now on my L6003d and think it is the most fun heli I have ever flown.

Tabb

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02-11-2008 03:23 AM  10 years agoPost 99
Eco8gator

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Hello Tabb

Funny Post

Only thing that surprised me was what broke. Ive understood dampers, and bearings because thats normal and even a one way. But man I was shocked to hear about the shaft; your right at these levels anything is possible and Im glad Mikado continues to improve on their design.

Carlo

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02-11-2008 04:27 AM  10 years agoPost 100
Ticidytoc

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You seem to be predisposed to think the ProBar is not going to work well, I wonder what the backstory is here?
Interesting observation, I personally have no bias to any system. Currently I am using the V-Stabi with my 600 and spinning 600mm blades. No problems other than the tail issue. Main shaft is fine over here and with others I am in contact with. It works for me and I'm a happy customer.

As far as the Probar system goes, I myself have not flown it, I would be willing to try it out, but at this point I have no interest in purchasing a $400 system that does not include a tail gyro. Simply personal preference here.

I am interested to see what some seasoned V-Stabi pilots will think of the Probar. The preliminary reports I did get were not awe inspiring.

My personal experience with the V-Stabi has proven to me there is a lot to learn, for myself and others out here. I have tried some of the files posted here on the net for the V-Stabi, I have no idea how some of you are even flying with those settings. Some feel so bad that if that was all I knew I would think flybarless flys like crap.

I told you it was the future........

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