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02-04-2008 09:00 PM  11 years ago
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colsy

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JR to slow in the marketplace
I have always been a avid JR user, and I've lived with the DX7 for over a year now, and although i love the technology i hate the cheap feel of the transmitter, and have been living in hope of a decent JR offering for way too long now,.

Ive witnessed the recent flood of imported 9303's to the UK of recent and although they are seemingly CE marked i don't for a minute believe they will stand the jury in the event of a serious accident.

And standing by watching futaba release 'yet' another TX to the market with what appears to be a 'solid' foundation.

Well!! I'm actually wondering if I'm supporting the wrong 'Brand'.

Col.
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02-04-2008 09:07 PM  11 years ago
JAGNZ

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Import a DSX9 - that should be CE compliant right?
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02-04-2008 09:08 PM  11 years ago
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Go ahead and get the FUTABA,but be sure to check that you dont have one of the defective recievers.YOU ONLY LIVE ONCE..IF YOU LIVE IT RIGHT THATS ALL YOU NEED
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02-04-2008 09:12 PM  11 years ago
colsy

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Import a DSX9 , from where ?

Ive been looking at the 12x, but I'm not sure if JR have made a 'large' enough leap forward for the money, assuming it ever gets passed for the UK.

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02-04-2008 09:36 PM  11 years ago
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I'd stick with Spektrum/JR, Spektrum seemed to have had a long time developing the 2,4 thing, I can't help thinking that Futaba felt they were lagging behind and loosing sales so rushed their 2.4 sets out too early.
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02-04-2008 09:42 PM  11 years ago
Jonty

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The DSX9 is just going through testing for the UK. You have to be patient as I am sure it will be a great radio as the 9303 is. Check in the DX7 forum as Macman usually keep sus up to date with where testing is at.

Real Raptors has a waiting list if you want to get on it.
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02-04-2008 09:49 PM  11 years ago
JAGNZ

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Import a DSX9 , from where ?
Here:
http://takeoffandland.com.au/produc...roducts_id=2529

That's where I got mine from. I think they are expecting more very soon. Just email or ring them!

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02-04-2008 10:09 PM  11 years ago
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Hang on,

If someone bought a 9303 in the UK who didn't realise, but made sure the the radio was CE marked and there was an incident then how can he get done for it? as he did check, I'd have thought the manufactured would be more at fault - that is, if they can prove the radio caused whatever the problem was
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02-04-2008 11:13 PM  11 years ago
Jonty

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Hang on,

If someone bought a 9303 in the UK who didn't realise, but made sure the the radio was CE marked and there was an incident then how can he get done for it? as he did check, I'd have thought the manufactured would be more at fault - that is, if they can prove the radio caused whatever the problem was
There was plenty of discussion on this point in the DX7 forum so I would look there. It was noted even before the 9303 came out that it would not be UK compliant. The CE marking does not indicate full UK compliance I understand (due to a !). No one knows how the insurance companies will react to non compliant radios but indication are that it would not be favourable.

The moral of the story is that you should really always purchase transmitting devices in your own region to ensure compliance. If you import it yourself then it is your risk.
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02-04-2008 11:50 PM  11 years ago
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Jonty, my DX6i has the exclamation mark after the CE & I bought the Blade 400 3D with this radio, over the phone in the UK, so you telling me it hasn't passed & I might be done for it? I think not my friend, I bought it in good faith from a UK shop , the Birmingham Model Centre. How do I stand in the event that the TX or RX cause an accident?

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02-05-2008 01:58 AM  11 years ago
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so you telling me it hasn't passed & I might be done for it? I think not my friend
Ok, so you have already answered your question. I have no idea how the certification systems works in the UK and what the liability is should the regulators or insurance companies take a dim view. All I know is that there was an issue with JR specktrum labelling. See below:

http://www.horizonhobby.com/Article...?ArticleID=1716

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Latest update on JR 2.4:
Horizon Hobby USA have confirmed that the X9303 has not been submitted for any CE testing by Horizon. There was a production lot that, incorrectly, had CE labels on the outside packaging (no declaration). Horizon issued a service bulletin via their web sites and e-mail news letters and also sent notice to US dealers not to export them.

Horizon Hobby UK have confirmed that they have never de-tuned X9303's to EU power levels. It is their belief that there is no software available for the X9303 which would allow it to work at lower power levels.All enquiries regarding X9303's from UK modellers are being referred to MacGregor.

The BMFA has confirmed that BMFA insurance covers you for "all legal activities" in relation to model flying. Validity of insurance would certainly be called into question if modellers are using illegal equipment and they would strongly advise against its use.

UK retailers and modellers are therefore strongly advised to wait for the MacGregor/JR DSX9 to be CE certified before buying any JR 2.4 sets.
Also, a good disucssion
The "!" after the CE mark means that it is not necessarily legal in all EU countries. For example, France has severe restrictions on the use of 2.4 GHz for RC.

There is no technical issue with the US sets. It is purely a legal one, but one that *could* have consequences in the event of an accident. (No-one knows because - thank God - it hasn't happened yet!)

The problem is that the insurers *could* refuse to pay out. The insurance is only valid if you are complying with the law - just like any other insurance.

Since your set has a CE mark (which may or may not be valid!), you could presumably plead ignorance. However, since you imported the set yourself, *you*, as the importer, become liable for ensuring that it is compliant - and responsible for the validity of any markings on it.

Its a nasty situation, not helped by a certain amount of bungling by manufacturers for releasing sets on to the market with inaccurate markings on them!

Horizon UK have offered to re-adjust any Spektrums that have been imported from the US carrying inappropriate CE markings.

Ofcom have been sounding out the possibility of relaxing many of the restrictions on 2.4 GHz equipment (not just RC), but its all gone very quiet on that front recently. I assume they've run into problems with Brussels, and/or have higher priorities.....!
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02-05-2008 02:06 AM  11 years ago
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Quit your crying!!

Sometimes if you want the best then you just have to wait...

Nuff Said!!!

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02-05-2008 12:41 PM  11 years ago
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02-05-2008 12:43 PM  11 years ago
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Oh that's good, thanks i look forward to hearing from you tony.

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02-05-2008 12:59 PM  11 years ago
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Go ahead and get the FUTABA,but be sure to check that you dont have one of the defective recievers
Only affected certain product serial no ranges. And its the module that isn't apparently coded properly not the receiver.

If you hold BMFA insurance in the UK and turn up to a BMFA fly in, you will not be allowed to fly if they scrutineer your Tx and find it doesn't have the official markings for the UK on it. Yes its cheaper to buy abroad at the moment, but more expensive if you can never use it legally.

Thats why i just paid UK price for a 12FG ( unaffected by the recent coding issues) not because im made of money, just because i don't want any repurcussions.
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02-05-2008 01:01 PM  11 years ago
cupra

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if you import a radio CE marked or not you become responsible for its compliance as you become the importer
and i would look into Futaba i think you will find there having a few problem's
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02-05-2008 01:40 PM  11 years ago
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Maybe i'm missing something but, from what i've read, i would never let any insurance legal issue effect what i buy in this hobby. Come on people it's just a freakin RC radio. If it's that big a deal then i guess it's time to find a new country eh?--Eagles may soar high, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines!--
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02-05-2008 01:45 PM  11 years ago
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Only affected certain product serial no ranges. And its the module that isn't apparently coded properly not the receiver.
According to hobby services it's the reciever does not have an ID code,it's all 0'
YOU ONLY LIVE ONCE..IF YOU LIVE IT RIGHT THATS ALL YOU NEED
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02-05-2008 02:59 PM  11 years ago
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it is also rumored that the Transmitters can be returned to "0-id"unknowingly by turning them on and off to quick
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02-05-2008 03:33 PM  11 years ago
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Maybe i'm missing something but, from what i've read, i would never let any insurance legal issue effect what i buy in this hobby. Come on people it's just a freakin RC radio. If it's that big a deal then i guess it's time to find a new country eh?
That statement coming from an inhabitant of a country that'll sue if you get fat from eating McDonalds or get wet when swimming in the local pool!!
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