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02-04-2008 07:21 PM  10 years agoPost 1
Parsifal

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Hi,

I have a pre-BW stratus with the newer tail servo mount (no belcrank), i followed the instructions relating to assembly of the control rod, but i think i may have got it wrong as it seems a bit long. The instructions that came with the kit don't mention anything about a change of length... am i missing something?

MA, please go pick up an instruction booklet from hirobo or kyosho, those guys know how to write them!! Half the book is not for this version and the addendum is one sheet of paper with a diagram. Jesus, i'd expect a bit more for the price i paid for the kit.

Any help would be much appreciated. Sorry for the rant, but its been really frustrating..Thanks.

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Pars..

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02-04-2008 07:27 PM  10 years agoPost 2
3D Heli Ireland

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MA provide a standard length control rod for all their 90 sized machines and you cut it to suit. If you buy it as a seperate part there is a note to explain this. If it was too short thats a different matter, but too long, just cut it to suit.............

Also all of the most up to date MA manuals are on their site for download, just go on there and find the one you want....In what way is "half" the manual not for that version as a matter of interest?? Did you get it with a Tempest head??

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02-04-2008 07:55 PM  10 years agoPost 3
Parsifal

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Er... the manual does not point out cutting it to length, just says glue the control rod 23mm in the rod...if they wanted me to cut it to length, i reckon good form would have been to print it...preferably in bold font, somewhere before they said, "apply liberal amounts of CA".

It is with the tempest head, yes, and you get an addendum to that. And there are some frame bits which are different too...

Sorry, despite there being a website where the instructions are, i see no reason why i should have to update the instructions myself on what is essentially a box of parts that are packed in a factory somewhere. If you can manufacture a tempest head, surely you can put what i may need to build it in the box as you ship it out? I don't really think thats too much to ask.

Still its a great kit, and i want to get it done, but now i have a control rod with a bit of metal sticking out of it (see above note on Apply liberal amounts of CA), just a little too long.. do i need a new rod?

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Pars

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02-04-2008 08:06 PM  10 years agoPost 4
balsapro

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I,ve never installed a carbon pushrod on any heli without having to cut it to fit first.

all MA machines are a little bit more detailed oriented and require a little bit of commonsense when building.

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02-04-2008 09:00 PM  10 years agoPost 5
3D Heli Ireland

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On the manual front, yes fair enough I hear you. Perhaps this is an area they need to address. That aside the build is without question 'quality' and indeed just take your time as this is your first MA (I assume).

As for the rod you should still be able to remove it, even if you have to slice the carbon rod at the end. I have done this before and been able to fix it. You will be chopping some of the end off anyway so it should not matter. The CA will get a good grip, as this is a proper carbon rod, but it should still come out.

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02-04-2008 11:42 PM  10 years agoPost 6
Ghostrider

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Parsifal
I feel your pain LOL ...I am also building a BW Stratus. Your right, the instructions would help if they were up to date. Even if they had an addendum stating that these parts will not be in the kit as they are no longer used. Spending 20 - 30 minutes looking for parts that are called for in the instructions and later finding out they are no longer needed gets very annoying. And don't worry, they are NOT up to date on the web site either.

From all the people I have talked to, you just have to struggle through it the first time. Once you have built a MA machine, I think any future machines would be much easier. MA has a different way of thinking...not bad but different.

I will say however it is the highest quality kit I have every built!

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02-05-2008 02:54 AM  10 years agoPost 7
Parsifal

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No question, kit quality and the way everything feels is awesome. I had a tempest previously but had the good fortune for a very experienced friend to put it together for me (i am not the best builder out there)... this time i decided to take the plunge... its been fun, but frustrating at points.

In any case, i guess i'll be doing some cutting later tonight . Anyone out there have a measurement by any chance? or is it just trial and error?

Thanks again.

Pars.

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02-05-2008 03:32 AM  10 years agoPost 8
bparro

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the carbon rod itself came out to 800mm and the threaded rod on the tailrotor end you can see in the photo. The rod on the servo end butts up against the plastic link and is covered by the brass tube.

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02-05-2008 03:43 AM  10 years agoPost 9
NewHeli

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The addendum I got with my JUST pre-BW stratus said to assemble the tr control rod on the heli so you get the right length. What I did was thread on the ball links first, the distance they want. Then I put the one end in all the way (the tail end with the brass sleeve), and then let that dry. then the other end I stuck in, and only about 1/8" of the rod shows, the rest is inside and glued. I didn't have to cut the tube at all, it comes theh right lenght as far as I know.

Check my gallery for pics, I can take more if needed.

BTW I sanded the rods first to get them rough, and took off the black finish, and then used JB weld.

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02-05-2008 03:45 AM  10 years agoPost 10
bparro

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I built mine on the heli also but my carbon rod was an inch or two oversize. Built on the heli with jb weld.

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02-06-2008 12:51 AM  10 years agoPost 11
Parsifal

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Thanks a lot for the replies. I will cut out the rod and see if reinstalling is still possible. Lesson learnt. By the way, the instructions say thick CA is sufficient, is it? has anyone had any bad experiences with CA? Thanks again!

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Pars

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02-06-2008 02:14 AM  10 years agoPost 12
stanc

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Parsifal
Not being critical, but if this isn't your first heli, you should know that the T/R control rod should be cut or not cut with the heli together measuring between the servo control arm and the T/R control arm. I agree that MA's manuals or a bit lacking in places, however its my thinking that MA assumes that someone who buys one of the helis knows a little bit about how to build a heli therefore doesn't have to put ever tiny piece of information in their manual. JR and Thunder Tiger's manuals are more explanatory, but!!!

Use JB Weld, if you have any doubt, I do.

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02-06-2008 02:26 AM  10 years agoPost 13
Ronbo

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Is everyone using the pushrod guides or just straight shot from servo to bellcrank?

Also, does min air sell the Linear Link kit for futaba servos (0883-1) anymore?

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02-06-2008 02:35 AM  10 years agoPost 14
stanc

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I use one push rod guide. The linear link kit is apparently still for sale $10.00, here is the link.

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02-06-2008 03:07 AM  10 years agoPost 15
NewHeli

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Just the one guide included with the kit here, in the recommended position, with the include heat-shrink tube...works great!

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02-06-2008 03:40 PM  10 years agoPost 16
rada70

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It's prefer to use two links IMO. that's what i have on both stratuses I own.
Parsifal,
Make sure you use either epoxy or jb weld.
The linear link kit is apparently still for sale $10.00,
What is the use for that part? I've never heard of it.

Just do it.

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02-06-2008 05:05 PM  10 years agoPost 17
Parsifal

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StanC,

Fair point i suppose, i shoulda known better... But damnit! they should have warned me of my potential incompetence! Also, i am not the most accomplished builder out there, one of the benefits of having friends who actually like building!

The last heli i built was a sceadu... Which was EASY. As i mentioned earlier, my local (Malaysian) X-Cell dealer (a good mate) was kind enough build my first MA kit (Tempest) for me, and it flew brilliantly, hence i am on to my second. Didn't realise the amount of skill / patience required...

Drat! i've already used CA, i guess i'll get a new rod and start again then.

Thanks again to everyone!

Regards,

Pars

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02-07-2008 03:22 AM  10 years agoPost 18
stanc

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Your not alone having to buy another rod because of cutting it too short. Hang in there with the MA helis, you want be sorry. Even if the manuals are a little lacking and the parts are more than some other brands, but the other brands are not on the same plain as the MAs.

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02-07-2008 03:43 AM  10 years agoPost 19
sniper_brad

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yep, the manuals are pretty bad, but the quality is the best out there. I used thick ca and it has not budged. There is not a lot of resistance to pull the rod apart. CA is just like super glue. Don't you guys remember the guy hanging from his hard hat on the ads for super glue.

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02-08-2008 04:45 AM  10 years agoPost 20
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Yes, but is CA resistant to fuel?

Just do it.

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