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02-05-2008 03:25 AM  10 years agoPost 41
Furious Predator

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your definition of QC needs refining. quality control is just that. they make sure that a product meets specific guidlines before it can be shipped, nothing more, they only do what they are told.

material type, bearings, clutch liners. that has NOTHING to do with QC.

the folks in QC will look at it and say "yup, all the parts are there, the clutch liner that is specified in the drawings and standard operation sheets is installed, its good to go"

im not saying they have the best quality, but your pointing the finger at the wrong group of people. point your fingers at align themselves, the DESIGNER, who chose what materials, and to what tolerances the heli should be made to.

now, a problem in QC would be things like missing parts, or improperly installed parts. that is what QC is there for.

Shawn
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02-05-2008 03:43 AM  10 years agoPost 42
baddynergy

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Bent TTs
Holes mis drilled in tail drive gears.
Thrust bearings that dont fit in tail grips
Bent clutch hubs
Holes mis-drilled in frames
warped fans

Would THESE be QC issues?? and these are to name but a few.

And they need to choose MUCH better materials for the 90, and I do think QUALITY material should be part of QC.

And like I said, I just hope the resolve stuff like this with the 90. I like Align stuff but I wont buy their 90 unless this shiot does not happen with it. Again, I have VERY high expectations for a 90, its not a throw away bird like a 50 is.
the folks in QC will look at it and say "yup, all the parts are there, the clutch liner that is specified in the drawings and standard operation sheets is installed, its good to go"
I agree thats how they do it, but I dont think thats how it should be done.

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02-05-2008 03:55 AM  10 years agoPost 43
Furious Predator

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those issues you stated i would consider QC problems. but i do agree with you.

i have a 450 and 600N. i havn't flown either yet because i simply cant afford to get them running (im in college working part time).

but overall, atleast in the building stages, i couldn't find anything wrong with either heli in terms of quality.

i only baught the 600N just to reduce my running costs. only having a 90 can be rough on the pocket sometimes.

but i will see come spring how well the 600N holds up. i am only doing minimal upgrades...fan and grips. i am pretty disapointed though that some people have had the grips fail. i have never had to use metal grips before, and it is such a vital component.

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02-05-2008 04:07 AM  10 years agoPost 44
baddynergy

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i am pretty disapointed though that some people have had the grips fail. i have never had to use metal grips before,
That is actually one part I think they got right. The ones that were people reported failing were in fact NOT using the Nitro blade grips. They somehow either damages theirs or got NOS electric grips that were prone to failure. I had many flights on my stock ones until I put it in and went with the metal so I could run higher headspeeds.

I would not hesitate to use the nitro plastic grips again.
i only baught the 600N just to reduce my running costs. only having a 90 can be rough on the pocket sometimes.
I hear ya there. That is a BIG difference too... 10 flights per gallon as opposed to 6. It does add up. Not to mention the crash costs..

Dont get me wrong, I like my Rex. I just want the 90 to be even better as far as quality is concerned.. If they do really step up, I think they will truly be a force to be reckoned with in the 90 size market.

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02-05-2008 05:28 AM  10 years agoPost 45
phanliu

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well i am sure that align will be getting all these feedbacks... HOPEFULLY!!! add me in with the QC issues.

i was a big align fan and still am having all their birds. but recently align has really been ticking me off in a sense that they come out with the kit and there goes all the upgrades that is what they call but in my opinion those are replacements for their flawed parts in the kit. it seems like they are in this market now just for the business sense of it selling products in mass quantities. and now if u take a look their prices for parts aren't cheap either.

for example, i just purchased my t500 and i went on buying the metal tail case for it and now i am hearing they're coming out with the torque tube. i mean if they are going to charge u to buy the top of the line in it's category like the CF version why not include it in the kit??? it's all about cash flow guys...

it seems like from the t450 days align has grown from a humble small company to a big shrewd business!!!

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02-05-2008 05:38 AM  10 years agoPost 46
Nashville

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Although I probably won't buy a 90 sized Align product, I can't wait for the "underground" videos of Jason, Alan and company flying the piss out of the big birds in Taiwan or in their driveways or in an alleyway or something.

I was Spektrum when Spektrum wasn't cool

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02-05-2008 05:39 AM  10 years agoPost 47
Furious Predator

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althought i dont disagree with you, there is also another prespective.

align jumped right into head first into this. i think the step from micro electrics to 50 size then 90 size machines all within about a 1 year period says a lot. you cant expect them to have a perfect machine first time around. they can only test the products to a point since there will be people doing things they never thought of testing on a small scale.

considering they had little to no experience with nitro machines, i think they have done a great job of getting started.

did the raptor V1 work great out of the box? i dont think so. there is a dedicated website dealing with tuning out the bugs and flaws in the raptor, yet look how popular it was(is). how many versions of the raptor are there now? and im just using TT as an example, i cant think of any other machine out there that has not had issues out of the box.

although i do find this never ending list of upgrades irritating, atleast align is taking it upon themselves to address the issues in a timely manner, and not sitting on their hands about it.

thats my 2 cents. some people here only seem to focus on the negative things, yet they have accomplished so much.

Shawn
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02-05-2008 09:03 AM  10 years agoPost 48
Justin911

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say hello to what might as well be the most wanted 90 size heli on the market and possibly one of the most dominating and widely used 90s in the world... (ALL THIS IMHO)

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02-05-2008 02:00 PM  10 years agoPost 49
ev0l

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I find it funny how my 600N has not had one single issue these guys talk about Nor my buddies I fly with all the time.

Its all perspective, if you're a hater you're a hater. Nothing Align does will stop you from bashing them. There are plenty of other things to complain about so give it a rest.

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02-05-2008 02:06 PM  10 years agoPost 50
Nashville

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No hater here. Those of us who have had issues, and there are large numbers of us, are simply asking that a little better quality control go into a serious bird like a 90. It's quite simple.

I was Spektrum when Spektrum wasn't cool

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02-05-2008 02:27 PM  10 years agoPost 51
casper7

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I have a 600N Sport got june 2007, I had problems with the one way, the bearing blocks and the tail assembly, got up grades all sorted. Dec 2007 I purchased the 600N pro, I had a problem with control shaft being too big so it would not slide into the bearings on the side frames, again purchased another control shaft, problem sorted. I still have both heli's and think they are great, so not a hater here either, but quality does seem to be a probem unless of course you are a rep, then I guess you have to take the "no issues here" line.

I am looking for a 90 this year, but I will not be rushing into being one of the first to get a Trex 700 until I see some good reports on the forums, but I may not be able to resist

PS I think the Raptor 90 SE still has a problem with the pitch arm binding on the side frame, this was the case when it first came out and is still the case now, guess TT are not listening.

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02-05-2008 02:33 PM  10 years agoPost 52
phanliu

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true... very true. i do agree with u as i love all my align birds but just the sense that i am stacking out all the cash for replacement is really hurting my pocket and bugging me. another example is the 2in1 regulator for my 600n. i did not even finish building my bird that i started hearing issues with it and guess wat without even using it i replaced it with the new plastic casing type. i mean i am doing upgrades before my bird even became airborne so this is really ridiculous as u guys know that the kits aren't cheap either and then store extra money for upgrades or parts that is deemed to fail. so in a sense to protect ur investment u end up buying upgrades thinking that part might fail in the air.

so the point is that its because of the love of these birds that i am drilling a hole in my wallet and who benefits from it? ALIGN!!!

this is just my story and i am sure there will be hundreds more who shares my thought. dont get me wrong here I LOVE all my 600s and my new 500 but just they way they conducting things is kind of upsetting at times all because by the time u finish building ur heli u spend more than what u anticipated...

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02-05-2008 03:58 PM  10 years agoPost 53
baddynergy

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Its all perspective, if you're a hater you're a hater. Nothing Align does will stop you from bashing them.
Your statement right there could NOT be more wrong. I am not bashing them at all. Its constructive criticism on issues they need to pay more attention to ie QC. I do not hate Align at all, I love the way my Rex flies. And when you fly hard enough to wear the ball links out in 100 flights,or the swash getting sloppy after 50 flights ( new one included) or stuffing it in and needing a TT only to find that everyone at the LHS is bent, we will see a post from you saying the same thing. All of these things can be prevented very easily. And just because you haven't had these issues doesn't mean anything, there are more than enough reports of it happening to tell me there is an issue.

Ps, I am hoping Align reads this and corrects the problems. I realy do like their bird and will continue to fly it until it absoluty falls apart
Either that or if I am loud and vocal enough, they will send me a 90 to test for them...

And as JD said, we expect better quality out of a 90.

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02-05-2008 04:45 PM  10 years agoPost 54
Nashville

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Bad, I think we are "haters". Anyone who speaks his opinion or gives detailed reports on things that have happened to them or suggests ways to improve things is obviously full of hate.

I was Spektrum when Spektrum wasn't cool

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02-05-2008 05:23 PM  10 years agoPost 55
Rockohaulic

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Its constructive criticism on issues they need to pay more attention to
Badd hits the nail directly on the head! That is exactly what most of us are trying to say!

It's a great helicopter, but there is room for improvement. And a 90 size bird should have higher quality than a 50 size bird.

Another way to look at it is if you spend $25,000 on a Toyota, you expect one level of quality. However, if you spend $45,000 on a Lexus, you expect a much higher level of quality. Yet both of them are made by Toyota.

Saturday morning I flew my helicopter in my pajamas
How it got in my pajamas I'll never know

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02-05-2008 05:42 PM  10 years agoPost 56
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Nicely put Rock!

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02-05-2008 06:31 PM  10 years agoPost 57
WiscHeli

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lets compare a Heli from the 1980s that you put $7-800 in to what would that cost at todays $$$ more then I have in my 600N ,, and look at how much Better the helis are today ,,,, I have no complantes about Align Helis ,,, some dont realize how good we have it today with the Great Helis and Elevtronics on the market

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T-Rex450seV2,, 600N-Pro ..500CF... Jr 9303 Syn 72Mhz

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02-05-2008 08:52 PM  10 years agoPost 58
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Wisc, that is a cool looking old bird. Did it really fly? lol. Yes, we do have it much better and I think we all realize it but to say any Trex has no room for improvement and that you won't say anything at all is a little beyond me. If you are happy, I am happy for you. But I will say something when there is definite room for improvement. I guess I'm just not as patient as I could be.

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02-05-2008 09:33 PM  10 years agoPost 59
WiscHeli

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Wisc, that is a cool looking old bird. Did it really fly? lol.
Yes flyes great for a oldey and one of the 1st Helis that could fly Inverted ,,, I am restoring it with todays electronics and it will fly again

T-Rex450seV2,, 600N-Pro ..500CF... Jr 9303 Syn 72Mhz

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02-05-2008 10:27 PM  10 years agoPost 60
Dave Yost

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Open Request to Alan and Jason to pass on to Align.

1. Make the canopy like the one on the 500, but make it as skinny as humanly possible, ditch side bumps and extend the nose 1". Make the windshield Carbon Fiber.

2. Put the F@#$ing fuel pick up in the MIDDLE of the tank so clunk will reach both sides of the tank!

3. Find out who MA is getting there Carbon-Graphite from, and buy it from that vendor.

4. Repeat number 3, only substitute "Carbon Graphite" with "Aluminum"

5. Do not make the engine case a structural member of the chassis

6. Anodize the head black, or leave it silver. (not Green)

7. DO NOT USE A COLLET SYSTEM ON THE FAN. Make it thread on please +/- .00000000000001.

8. Use harden materials for the ball links and swash bearing.

9. Did I mention make the canopy longer and narrower?

10. Make the landing gear strong enough so that it does not bow in the heat.

11. Make the Vertical fin strong enough and long enough so that it does not bend and allow the tail blades to touch the ground, hence striping the tail gears.

12. Do not "chrome" or what ever they do to the fly bar and push rods. just anodize them black, or use good materials and leave them there natural color.

13. While we are on the subject of push rods, use a better method or shop to cut the threads deeper and cleaner.

14. A place to mount the battery switch would be good.

15. Did I mention make the canopy longer and narrower????

16. Go to a college library and pic up a book on quality insurance. Deming would be a good author to start with., while your there, look up TQM, Six Sigma and ISO9002.

Love, "The canopy painter", Dave

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