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02-05-2008 10:22 PM  10 years agoPost 41
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Jack,, the point is (as it usually is) it's BS,, Adam Turner took the Swift to win first place in 06,, if Willie said he didn't care for the feel of the Swift I could (and I think most would) respect that, but he nit picks, in the end if the Swift is good enough to winn a world champion ship then it's good enough for more than 99% of the fliers in the world,, hell, it maybe good enough for EVERY flyer in the world except that 1

Willi,, if you don't like the feel of the Swift say so, don't nit-pick it,,, the heli is a world champ winner and you can't take that away from it !!

Jim

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02-05-2008 10:28 PM  10 years agoPost 42
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Willie,Et al
The original poster here was asking for info on the Swift 620 versus the Trex600.
Do you actually have any experience with the Swift 620 ?
Your gallery shows a regular basic Swift. The 620 is vastly different from the basic model swift, having an all-metal head and tail and CF frames. The basic Swift also costs $200 versus the ~$460 of the Trex600(W/O motor).
Even the Swift 550 is a much different machine over the basic Swift. Are you able to make a statement about the features of the Trex without making a statement denigrating the Swift?
For the record I have nothing against the Trex600 it is a great flying machine, very well executed, Succesful machines such as that are great for the hobby, keeping all manufacturers on their toes.

An interesting feature here on RunRyder is the ability to search a particular username for his posting history.
When one wants to establish the credibility of a persons point of view, it is a very useful tool to see if they have a history of offering helpful, fact-based posts, or if they have a beef of some sort and like to make noise about it.

I suggest the original poster and anyone else interested in the facts do the search on various posters in this thread.

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02-05-2008 11:41 PM  10 years agoPost 43
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Well said gjestico.

What may be missing here also is knowledge of different rotor head and flybar systems and how they inter-relate.

Here, we are comparing the 620E to the 600E. The Swift 620E has a CNC head with different grips and bell mixers that allows more pitch range. The question is, with its' head design, does it need 14/14 and 8/8 for extreme pop?

What many do not necessarily understand, is that pitch range to pop ratio, is directly related to the flybar design and how its' "stabalizing" function is mixed into the pitch feed to the head.

Also of consequence, is the Power System in use and how it can handle such extremes....and what are the consequences if it can't (e.g. burned out motors, esc's and/or puffed batteries. Remember, a sponsored pilot who gets all these goodies free may take a very different approach to "pop" then someone who has to work it all into a budget.

So, in the end, a lot also boils down to how the complete package is fairing after 200 or 300 or 400 or 500 plus flights, and what it cost to keep it all flying in the "extreme pop" mode.

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02-05-2008 11:43 PM  10 years agoPost 44
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over one year old.

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02-06-2008 12:39 AM  10 years agoPost 45
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Willie,

Where did you buy your CF550E? I will be looking forward to checking out your set-up for it at Shag.

I was wondering if you can elaborate on this also? "What many do not necessarily understand, is that pitch range to pop ratio, is directly related to the flybar design and how its' "stabilizing" function is mixed into the pitch feed to the head."

Also for those interested in other types of flying then just "Pop" e.g. smoothness etc. how is a 14/14 collective range going to help them. Is it easier to fly smoothly with a 14/14 or with a 10/10 (using the same head etc. of course)?

It really seems to me that you pump the "pop" issue and the pitch range issue as the end all and be all. Many others may well see other features as more desirable in a heli. Does that make them and/or their opinions any less worthy then yours?

And what do you think of the pitch range available on the TT electric helis, or the Hirobo Lepton and others? Does that make them any less worthy to be in the market place?

I guess what I am trying to say, is if POP and pitch range is your main criteria, then I trust we will see your posts in other brand's forums nitpicking them for not having the ranges you desire - or is it just you find it unacceptable for Century helis only.

P.S. thank you for clarifying that your comparison of the T600E and the 620E was not relative to your personal use of the two.

You keep repeating "Century is NOT listening to what the customer wants. (period)." Are we to assume the only customer they should listen to is you??

Seems to me they have a lot of happy customers who they obviously are listening to.

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02-06-2008 01:21 AM  10 years agoPost 46
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02-06-2008 01:22 AM  10 years agoPost 47
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Ah the smell of quality in the morning....but what the heck, who cares....a lot of pitch range.

Yes Quality?? like this quality fan??

http://www.runryder.com/t406491p1/

0r these quality torque tubes:

http://www.runryder.com/t376055p1/

Or this quality anti-rotation guides:

http://www.runryder.com/t406140p1/

or these quality swashplates (even their new edition):

http://www.runryder.com/t406307p1/

What?? a quality heli for 600mm to 620mm blades that comes stock with a 3mm flybar??

http://www.runryder.com/t406113p1/

Get the picture??? (I could continue.)

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02-06-2008 01:31 AM  10 years agoPost 48
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02-06-2008 01:39 AM  10 years agoPost 49
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02-06-2008 01:42 AM  10 years agoPost 50
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02-06-2008 03:06 AM  10 years agoPost 51
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OK, so I did a search, and it was not a world champion ship, but it was an important steppingstone for the electric heli and the Swift won it..

Jim

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02-06-2008 03:17 AM  10 years agoPost 52
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02-06-2008 04:38 AM  10 years agoPost 53
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Ah the smell of quality in the morning....but what the heck, who cares....a lot of pitch range.

Yes Quality?? like this quality fan??

http://www.runryder.com/t406491p1/

0r these quality torque tubes:

http://www.runryder.com/t376055p1/

Or this quality anti-rotation guides:

http://www.runryder.com/t406140p1/

or these quality swashplates (even their new edition):

http://www.runryder.com/t406307p1/

What?? a quality heli for 600mm to 620mm blades that comes stock with a 3mm flybar??

http://www.runryder.com/t406113p1/

Get the picture??? (I could continue.)
Be careful here... Wanna bet we can find similar posts on the Century forum for every single part you mentioned? I feel obliged to answer since one is my post.

For example, although I love my Raven I also had to upgrade the fan to metal. Guess why? You will say it wasn't necessary, people manage to start their big bore 50s with the plastic version. Guess what? people also managed to run T-Rexes with the plastic fan. And if you don't care to use a governor then it is definitely fine.

How about Raven anti-rotation brackets and that old Predator swash? How about plastic paddles? etc., etc... If you have a glass roof don't through the first stone.

Don't get me wrong, I am a Century fan. But every helicopter has its things.

Having said that let's look at the fan replacement issue:
-Century Metal Fan $40
-Align Metal Fan $20 - with free magnets...

-Effort to replace the fan on a Raven: well, you need to almost tear it apart. I know, I know... there are shortcuts. I know them well enough!
-Effort to replace the fan on the T-rex: muffler off and 8 bolts. Takes maybe 10 minutes.

I love my Raven and two Predators. They all give me challenges and rewards. But so do my T-Rexes. But it is not now that I am asking for a face lift to the Raven, which is loooong overdue. Check my posts on the Century forum for the past two years!

BTW: I have two T-Rex 600E, each one with about 100 flights on, and no issues whatsoever with the mechanics.

It's easy to find an excuse to do wrong. Hard is not to find an excuse to do right.

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02-06-2008 04:51 AM  10 years agoPost 54
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Didnt want people to raise their blood pressures for this thread but i have looked a lot into both of the heli's seen them fly and both fly very well, yes all heli's will have a few things needed to be fixed here and there but i think the century 620se looks like the winner to me, not saying the 600e isnt good

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02-06-2008 06:28 AM  10 years agoPost 55
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Good luck with your new machine DM. Whatever you get, it will challenge you and hopefully give you many hours of fun.

I do not own the 620 or the 600, as for me, both are a bit too large for my battery budget. I prefer the 550 size, as it is a bit easier on the batteries.

Saying that, I do have a 550 and 16 that I have had a lot of fun with, and the 'pop' is ok but not spectacular. I prefer it that way as it suits my style and does not load the batts too much. I have seen very few pilot be able to handle the 14 degrees of pitch properly. For most, I would say, they just put extra un-necessary load on the machine and the power plant. But that is just my observation. Anyhow, my swifts have always had MONDO cyclic. Fast enough that when I let others fly it I have to turn it down as it scares them BTW, I do agree, it would be 'nice' to have a head that did 14 and 8. The swift though does good enough for me. (Perhaps I've been flying too long to know what to do with all that pitch and cyclic ).

Did I notice a big difference between the swift 550 and swift 16. Yeah, but mostly because I put a bigger power plant in it. I almost prefer my swift 16 as it very inexpensive to fix and doesn't scare me at all. But I do prefer the power in my 550 and the extra rigidity of the carbon is nice too.

I never did have a problem with the wobbly landing gear though . Yeah my machine shakes on spool up, but I havn't owned one that didn't a bit until the blades centered.

Anyhow, I have seen the 600e up close. and the 620 is like my 550 with even more bling, so I am sure you will like it. It is lighter I believe too.

If you so desire, and want to make it smaller in the future, all you would really need to do is change the tail boom and belt, and run smaller blades. Then you would have the baddest 550 on the block

Actually you don't haaave to change the belt and boom if you don't want to either. What power plant were you thinking?

That's all I have to say. Have a good time.
Trevor.

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02-06-2008 09:20 AM  10 years agoPost 56
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MD(MD) don't worry about the arguing, it goes on all the time !!

""Be careful here""

what I can say about the Raven or Century's 30s is they have stood their time very well, the only other brand that has stood as well is Hirobo's Shuttle series,, the more expensive 30/50s were good well made helis but part's cost was high, those expensive 30/50s sold less and less so they have been gone a long time now, yet still stand the Raven/Hawk, Shuttle/Sceadu,,

and now there is the more expensive 600Ns, the candy guys had to have, and the $600 Vibe 50 is coming too, yet in only 1 year guys are already selling their more expensive 600Ns to have the less expensive Knight 3d,, the song remains the same...

Jim

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02-06-2008 04:14 PM  10 years agoPost 57
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Trevorz, im gunna crack at the $559 6cell power combo at heli world, it comes with their new 600a plus outrunner, 80/100amp esc, pinion and bec.

And with the pitch range? I have never flown any helicopter with +-14deg of pitch that sounds crazy and dont think i need that much, i have been flying gas for a long time with no more than +10-10deg and has always been enough. My new little 450 i set-up with 12 to 12. But we will see, looks like a very nice kit and under 600bux with motor esc bec looks like a good deal

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02-06-2008 05:23 PM  10 years agoPost 58
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Looks like you have a good combo there.

Have fun, and don't be afraid to show us your progress :-).

Trevor.

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02-06-2008 07:40 PM  10 years agoPost 59
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What about the logo 600? Seems to be getting some rave reviews & check youtube out for videos of this one in flight.

Ross

Seems to me that ALL heli's beat the air into submission

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02-08-2008 12:14 AM  10 years agoPost 60
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Hey guys, i figured id give my.02 here. I look at it this way.

Why would i pay 500 something dollars for a mostly plastic, low bearing count, stamped CF framed Trex 600E

When i can pay 496, for a CNC laser cut, all metal/cf triple bearing everything, weighs less swift 620.

I have a swift 16, and a swift 620SE. I have seen many 600e's, and know enough to not want one. Here is a video fo my swift 16. Half the cost of a trex 500/600E, and does more that ive seen a 600 do, besides alan szabos(God knows he wouldnt lose a minute of sleep to throw his 600 away, while i paid for my swift)

http://www.myrctoys.com/embedded-videos/swift-jpc.html

Why is it also, that a Trex 600, has to be severely upgraded (frames, head, tail) to handle 10s power, while a STOCK swift 620 SE can do it easily, at nearly half the cost in the end. The swift cyclic can be put to 14 degrees, and 8 cyclic with little mods. But no normal setup, that wont blow the heli to peices can handle a power system strong enough to handle 14 degrees. Another point, how many times do you hear about swift blade grips blowing in the air, and the belts snapping, and the one ways locking up, and sloppy heads?
I dont hate the trexs, ive had two 450SE's, the align helis are just not my first choice. I figure this, The only reason most of you have align helis, is because of one thign, one word..."SZABO" What if he was flying century helis right now, any guesses on what 95% of the world would have? "fanboy's" i call them

Lets Fly!

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