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02-05-2008 01:02 AM  10 years agoPost 21
willie evans

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over one year old.

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02-05-2008 04:17 AM  10 years agoPost 22
Gearhead

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and with all the guys selling their 600Ns it sounds like Align is not any better

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7ro...feature=related

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02-05-2008 05:22 AM  10 years agoPost 23
gjestico

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There is a simple mod that can be made to get vastly increased pitch range from the Swift. Enough to make it "Pop" with the best of 'em.
Here is the link to the mod:
http://www.runryder.com/t406343p1/?p=3243641#RR
Here it is on the head:

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02-05-2008 05:30 AM  10 years agoPost 24
willie evans

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02-05-2008 05:37 AM  10 years agoPost 25
willie evans

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02-05-2008 07:32 AM  10 years agoPost 26
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Willie,

I have seen the Swift 16, 550E and the new 620E laying down some pretty hard smack. I have also seen others brands then Align do it too, I have even seen other brands pushed so hard that their hollow mainshafts snapped. I don't think that would be a problem with the Swift 550 or 620 as they have solid mainshafts.

And their plug and play, "low to no issue" flights at "low to no maintencance" has now been well proven.

Extreme pop may be what turns your crank, but good pop and dependability, along with day in and day out reliability, are other values that others may find more worthy.

As for Allen and others like him. Have you ever considered that maybe the extra cost of the helis they fly, may well be due to the extra margins those companies need to PAY these fellows to fly their products??

Some may rather not have to pay for that type of marketing, and only want to pay forwhat is in the box and let their own knowledge of helis get them the type of helis that they like. They may not be as influenced by "star" bling as others.

As for the mod, could it be that gjestico may know more about how to set it up for no binding then you?

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02-05-2008 11:18 AM  10 years agoPost 27
coolice

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The Century is not even in the same playing field as the Align.
LOL

Sorry I had to laugh at that comment!

willie evans : There has been a Swift laying down "The Smack" as you say indoors, Adam Turner flew a Swift at one of the US hobby shows indoors perfectly fine. Ok he did cream it later on in the flight but thats because he forgot where the ceiling was

I will agree on one thing and that is that Align get their new models out faster than most other manufacturers and it is something all manufacturers can learn from.
However saying that they are superior is not the case, the Swift is equally as impressive in it's flight envelope with the likes of JK, Alan Szabo and Duncan Osbourn at the controls.

My little piece of input to a thread which is going the worng way fast!
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Ian Contessa
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02-05-2008 03:49 PM  10 years agoPost 28
DMehalko(DM)

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I think im going to order a swift 620se, i saw a vid of it and looked amazing but cant find it again.

Here is a stock swift 16 that looks pretty darn good
http://youtube.com/watch?v=xijoSIekxQ0

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02-05-2008 04:31 PM  10 years agoPost 29
willie evans

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02-05-2008 06:32 PM  10 years agoPost 30
Al Austria

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willie evans, your argument is frivolous.

The thing about battery protection can go either way. I myself think a heli should be designed to fly well FIRST, not crash. Battery protection could definitely be better, but I don't think it should be a deciding factor. As far as the head, you'll find that the Century, Synergy, MA, Avant, , etc., type head configurations are inherently more "active" than say a T-REX, Sceadu, Mikado, etc.. I've flown Eco8gator's Swift 16 with cheapo Maverick blades, stock paddles, running 8S A123 and the sucker's cyclic rate was INSANELY fast, and the same goes for it's collective performance. I know for fact that the Logo 500/600 series has better pitch range capabilities than a Swift but I challange anyone to setup a Logo(NO VBAR) next to a Swift with the same equipment, IE blades and paddles, but with maximum throws on either machine and I can pretty much guarantee that the Swift will end up being more nimble. Static pitch values are in fact, worthless. Head geometries, bell hiller ratios, weight distribution, etc., are what really counts.

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02-05-2008 07:25 PM  10 years agoPost 31
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We've just built a 620SE. I must say it's not bad. However there are a few gripes. Firstly it's so new you don't get instructions or stickers in the kit, although the manual is now available as a download. We decided to go for a 10S setup and the canopy will not fit over the batteries unless you cut the bottom of the canopy out.
We have fitted alloy cyclic bellcranks, alloy tail blade grips and pitch slider with an alloy pitch arm. We have also ditched the stock skids which are crap in lieu of something a little more robust. We also don't like the fact the tail rests on the vertical fin which offer little protection for the tail blades.
Without messing with the mixing on the tranny, you can only get ±8° which is not good. We have now managed to get this up to ±12°.
All in all a nice looking heli, just need to fly it now.

Dave Dunphy
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02-05-2008 07:47 PM  10 years agoPost 32
willie evans

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02-05-2008 07:57 PM  10 years agoPost 33
jackheli

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Willie,

do you own or fly a T-Rex 600?

It's easy to find an excuse to do wrong. Hard is not to find an excuse to do right.

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02-05-2008 08:05 PM  10 years agoPost 34
willie evans

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02-05-2008 08:17 PM  10 years agoPost 35
jackheli

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Well, there you go.

We are getting first hand information from somebody that has built, flown and aged both (and others as a matter of fact).

It's easy to find an excuse to do wrong. Hard is not to find an excuse to do right.

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02-05-2008 08:20 PM  10 years agoPost 36
oldfart

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Willie,

Is your Swift a Swift 16, Swift CF550E or a SWIFT CF620E?

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02-05-2008 09:36 PM  10 years agoPost 37
Al Austria

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Had both, the LOGO 500 3D flys at least 25% better and I am not just trying to argue.
The stock Logo500 out performs the swift hands down, last summer I let every one who wanted a go on my machine at every fun fly the consensus is it is the best 550 size e-heli out there for 6s 3D
(it's like the T-REX450 on crack).
Ok, so you've actually taken and quantified the term "better"? Please don't make me laugh. I'm talking about pure agility and when it comes down to it, the Logo head in stock form doesn't exhibit the same kind of aggressive characteristics that a Century's head does. The Logo's head DOES however, track much better in forward flight and it's stability in a hover is far superior.
so my point still stands its not quite there with the other 3D machines
Sorry to say but, this is purely subjective.

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02-05-2008 09:44 PM  10 years agoPost 38
jackheli

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Sorry to say but, this is purely subjective.
What is the problem with you guys? Of course it is subjective.

An opinion was asked on comparing the two helicopters. Willie stated his opinion and now he is being bashed! As I am! And I am a Century supporter!

That is his opinion. And it is FIRST HAND. So take it or leave it, but don't bash it.

Wow, you guys react as you were being hurt personally.

It's easy to find an excuse to do wrong. Hard is not to find an excuse to do right.

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02-05-2008 09:52 PM  10 years agoPost 39
Al Austria

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jackheli,

Who are you to delineate bashing as such? This is MY opinion. Like you say, you can take it or leave it.

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02-05-2008 10:08 PM  10 years agoPost 40
jackheli

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Well, I don't have laughing at other's comments and calling them frivolous as part of my non-bashing repertoire, but I guess that is just me.

Sorry if I offended you in anyway. My mistake.

It's easy to find an excuse to do wrong. Hard is not to find an excuse to do right.

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