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02-08-2008 08:27 PM  10 years agoPost 21
onemetre

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I've already purchased the orange for my new soon to be 600N Sport. I'm going to start with these and the plastic grips. I'm assuming the plastic grips will offer some dampening. Wa11banger what do you think / advise. I'm a more than an intermediate flyer (but ready to call my self in expert 3D piilot).

Rob

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02-08-2008 11:33 PM  10 years agoPost 22
MosaicTT

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Rob,I would not run plastic grips with the orange K&B dampners. If you are doing 3D I think the orange dampners will put way to much load on the plastic blade grips and they may fail.

Like Wa11banger, I also have gone through a set of blade grip bearings using the orange K&B's with "metal" blade grips. This was causing my shake at lower rpm. I think you need some movement in the dampning system like the Align stock with sleeve or Infinovation dampners, the force needs to go some place. With the metal grips the force is going directly to the blade grip bearings.

I think that's why they call it "dampning" in the first place.

Good luck,
Sammy

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02-09-2008 02:39 AM  10 years agoPost 23
Wa11banger

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I have not performed any testing on the plastic grips but I do disagree with MosaicTT. I do beleive the plastic grips of today are just fine for the application. I however do agree you are going to lose some of that pop.. BTW I lost bearings before and while running the K&B's so bearing wear is not a K&B problem its a matter of time or force. The force is there reguardless its how much is tranlated to the airframe and at what rate.. The orange dampners are very stiff that is a fact they translate a lot of force straight to the head and airframe. The wobble MosaicTT,myself and others have is simply due to an imperfect setup.. If all was perfect and balanced to the nth degree we wouldn't experience near as bad as we do now. It is a trade off for performance.. If you wanted to use a real world translation of what is going on take the the suspension on your car.. Hell the stock version works, you aint swinging any serious corners with it but it works. Then you start making changes, your firm it up, you slow its reaction down, you change the rate of compression and the recoil rate. All of a sudden your car flings around corners but wait it dont ride quite as smooth as it used to.. But if performance is what you want to gain the old stock ride aint quite so important.

The plastic grips will be fine, just as long as they are the newer style not the old style the 600 was originally released with. I wouldnt fly them with any dampner.

The orange still provide dampening, just not as softly as the rest. The yellows are just like the 90's or infinivations and the greens are soft like the greys just not quite as soft, but comparable.

Rick

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02-10-2008 01:02 PM  10 years agoPost 24
onemetre

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Thanks for the responses. My intial foray will still probably be to try the orange and plastic. This is something Curtis did with his Vigor, use a rigid head and plastic grip for some dampening. But for the most part it's just cash flow for me decision. I expect to goto the metal blade grips just will try the plastic first.

Rob

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02-11-2008 11:56 AM  10 years agoPost 25
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Wow damper for Aurora ..same color..but don't know same material?
check pic from Aurora ..

avantrc.com/support/showthread.php?t=75&highlight=gear

the same color as the one for trex600n at helidirect website so they found the same great material for made the great damper and may same big price too ... WC-spec , world champion spec. for pro. only :-)

Happy helicopter

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02-11-2008 12:41 PM  10 years agoPost 26
inkspot1967

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i have had infini's on all my heli's and they have never let me down. well over 100 flights on one set and are still good...

as far as i know the infini's work for the best for me....

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02-11-2008 03:41 PM  10 years agoPost 27
MosaicTT

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Rob,I still would be carful with the stock "plastic" Align blade grips and orange dampners. The plastic JR,Thunder Tiger ect. use is a lot less brittle than the Align plastic. If you are worried about cash flow I would use the stock dampners with the Align sleeve. If you wind up snapping a blade grip and throwing a blade it will cost you way more than a set of dampners....

inkspot, I think I am going back to the infinavotion's as I have never had a problem with them and never had blade grip bearing problems till I went to the orange K&B's. Must get what you pay for in this hobby sometimes.

Rob,Hope you enjoy your new 600!

Sammy

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02-11-2008 03:56 PM  10 years agoPost 28
inkspot1967

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i never tryed the k&b ones, but i really like the infini's and i use the align sleeve as well with them.

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02-11-2008 04:19 PM  10 years agoPost 29
MosaicTT

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[quote]i never tryed the k&b ones, but i really like the infini's and i use the align sleeve as well with them.

I here ya, I think I will let the other guys do the beta testing on the K&B's. With our weather it not a good time to be testing new stuff, I get a few days of flying in a week but at times it's cold and the last thing I need is to be toying with my machine at the field. The Infinovation's never seem to change with temperature.

Sammy

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02-12-2008 01:45 AM  10 years agoPost 30
Wa11banger

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hmm, all materials change with temperature. If you were to run the yellows which are the comparible in hardness to the infinivations the only difference would be in your pocket book and when they would need work or maintenance.. Now if you can stand just a touch of shake, the oranges which are in a class of their own are the champ. You cannot get better response. But not everyones likes are the same.. That is why there are other choices.

Rick

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