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08-24-2008 12:16 AM  12 years ago
DougsRC

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Well since I'm not a rep let me say that my flying bud has two outrage packs that really perform Great. If the performanceRC packs are the same or close to the outrage packs as Fender says - and I believe what fender says is true, (which I do) than I would say buy the performanceRC packs by all means and you will not be dissapointed-- I gatta catch my breath
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08-24-2008 12:17 AM  12 years ago
heliraptor10

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Cools,
I just might have to take you up on that offer,
I'll have to wait a week or so for funds.

But I need two of the exact same battery for experiments on my dynamic stabilizer.
Goblin! where have you been all my life?
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08-24-2008 01:55 AM  12 years ago
shanee86

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I might have all the parts I need from the king 2. But I can't figure out for sure why tail is acting up. If it is the belt or what I am thinking maybe the belt is to lose due to boom getting bent. I don't think the kings belt will work though.My rc site shanesrc.com
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08-27-2008 04:00 AM  12 years ago
shanee86

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Well I order the parts I need or will need. I think I might have had most of all the parts incept the belt. But I went ahead and ordered a boom,belt,main shaft,loops. I think I might need a tail shaft but they were out most everywere. I just went ahead and order extra so that way I can have some next time. As I know there will be many more times since I bought this heli for learning on and flying like a stold it. So I am going to fix then do some inverted or noise in first not sure and more piro's probably but of course in a bigger area. I also ordered 2 batterie. One 3900 mah or something not sure it will fit and one 2100 mah one.My rc site shanesrc.com
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08-29-2008 11:11 PM  12 years ago
shanee86

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I was hoping parts would be here by today so I could fly it this weekend but no luck yet. But ohm as soon as I can get it together I am going to go out to a flying feild do some more piroutes and then flip it inverted probably and maybe do some noise in. To me that will be scary I have bearly done noise in just some on cx witch is easy and some on it but only secs at a time. I can do it on sim but yea its easy to me on there. I think because when I fly for real I get nervous and I have noticed with everything when I get nervous I do whatever I shoudl be doing backwards or oppisite. So say driving a truck I will turn wheel wrong way. But when I am come and with it I do it right. So yea I will most likely be crashing again but I want to get it on video this time lol.My rc site shanesrc.com
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08-29-2008 11:45 PM  12 years ago
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Its best to learn upright first till you can do it in your sleep. I now fly one handed tail in and still wont try inverted cause I know it would be uncontrolled it would just be a upside down for a second and try to bail out without crashing thing. That wont do you any good.

Watch at YouTube

And here is some indoor piros for ya.

Watch at YouTube

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09-02-2008 08:50 PM  12 years ago
shanee86

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Well my heli days may slow again due to my transmission on car going out. That will cost me alot to fix might have to sell some helis even. But my parts for belt should be here today. Just no the batteries yet.My rc site shanesrc.com
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09-07-2008 09:32 PM  12 years ago
shanee86

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Ok I got the parts and put it all back together. But it still wont work right. What I mean is tail is spinning or heli is spinning the tail by itself no matter how much I try to keep it still with the sticks. I also when it gets above half throttle tail seems to slow or something or maybe not run. I tryed belt both way had the tail spinning clockwise abd counter and still same. Right not both main blades and tail are going clockwise. Also seems to want to tip bad to the right. But I am thinking maybe I have the feathing shaft more on one side then other would that do that? Also witch way should blades mainly tail blades spin. I did it same as my big birds thanks. Only thing I can think of is the feathering shaft was a pain because it was so small and might be like way to much on one side tight and other side not and so shaft might be like tilting or something. But I am trying first to get tail not to spin thanks.
Oh if it helps I have tried to reversing tail blade direction and tail servo direction and reversed the gyro and same. Also tail boom was bent in crash so I replaced belt but I just bent boom back to straight but still has a nic in it from crash were it is kind of pushed in on the middle.
My rc site shanesrc.com
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09-18-2008 02:43 PM  12 years ago
Melnic

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Shanee86,
Did you get your Tail issue fixed?

Here is some info I cut and pasted from two posts I made on another site (note that the comments I make below are to someone else, not you):

Looking at the heli from it's right side (tail on left, nose on right), tail should rotate counter clockwise.
Maybe what happened was you twisted the belt the wrong way when you put everything back together then put the blades in backwards?

Here are some photos
http://www.hobbycity.com/hobbycity/...log/beltcp2.jpg
http://hobby-import.no/images/belt-...t-cp%20tail.jpg
http://members.shaw.ca/veejayns/Bel...elt-cp_tail.jpg
http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/...opter/H312f.jpg

You know, I think this is a good case for taking lots of static photos of a helicopter after you buy it and before you fly it.

Here is how I bench test a gyro. Try this and let us know how it goes:

First, I try to orientate myself on what direction the tail should push.

Check tail blade installation:
Rotate the main gear and the gear that drives the tail clockwise (direction the blades will spin). Does the tail blades move so that the thicker part of the blades are on the leading edge? (check online photos of the Belt to compare).

Rate vs. HH mode on the bench.
Lets also understand the difference between being in rate mode and HH mode on the bench.
In rate mode, if you slowly rotate the heli, the tail servo will not move (if it does, just barely). If you are in HH mode, the tail servo will move almost proportional to how far you rotate the heli. It will move to one end as you rotate in one direction and the other end as you rotate the other way. Sometimes (quite often) if you turn on in HH mode or just switch to HH mode, the servo will just start moving all on its own in one direction and keep going till it hits the end of it's travel. That is definitly a sign you are in HH mode.

I say Get your heli in Rate mode or bypass the gyro to bench test the tail and gyro settings.
Looking from the top of the heli, the blades will rotate clockwise. (blade moves right as it crosses the front of the heli). This will make the heli want to rotate counterclockwise (Nose left). This means that at hover the tail should push air so that the nose of the heli should rotate right (clockwise) and the tail moves left. That would be the neutral position of the tail. In rate mode (or w/ gyro bypassed), the neutral stick position at half throttle should be w/ the tail blades pushing air to the right. Right tail rudder on the Tx stick should make the pitch of the tail increase. Left tail rudder on the Tx stick should make the pitch of the tail change so that it pushes the nose left (making the tail push right). Back to neutral position and it should be pushing slightly to right. Once again, you have to do this tail test w/ the gyro bypassed or in rate mode. In Heading Hold mode, this will not work. Reverse your tail servo if you need to make the heli go in the right direction. Adjust servo or linkage so that the servo is at 90 degrees in your slightly right tail position at neutral stick. Get this part right before moving on !

OK, now that you got the tail going in the right way, lets test the direction of the gyro.
Test Rate mode first (if you can!)

Rate Mode:
If you disconnected the gyro to set up the tail servo, Connect up the gyro again and test that the tail is moving in the right direction again.
Push the Tx Left stick (tail) to the right. Look at the direction the servo or a linkage is moving. Put your finger on it. Practice feeling the servo moving by feel of the finger. stick right, you want somethign pushing on your finger (servo arm, linkage arm etc). Now, put the Tx down, hold the heli w/ your other hand by the flybar or anywhere on the head so that you can rotate the heli in the air leaving your finger on that servo or linkage. Jerk the heli counterclockwise. When you jerk the heli counterclockwise, you should feel that servo or linkage push on your finger. The more the push, the more the gain is turned up. If it does not push, reverse your gyro (unplug the heli when you do this so that when you test the gyro, it will reset).

HH Mode (there are other methods, but this is mine):
Turn on the Heli and let it settle. When the tail starts to drift (if it does) then adjust the tail trim on the TX till it stops. Try to move the tail trim to get the servo at 90 degrees and stop. Now, you've already learned how to tell if the tail is going in the right direction, Move the stick (a little bit) for the tail to the right and verify the tail is moving in the right direction of pitch. When you move the stick, the servo will move in the direction and stay there, or it will keep going then stop. The higher your gain is set or the farther you push the stick the more it will move and the farther it will go. Reverse the gyro if needed.
Now, use the stick or trim to center up that tail again. On the bench, rotate the nose of the heli to the left about 45 degrees. The tail should have moved so that it is giving thrust to rotate the heli back to where it was. It probably will move and stay in one spot. Rotate the heli back to it's original position and the gyro will move back. If it does, your HH gyro is set.

There are ways that people then set the gain of the gyro. You can reasearch for that or post suggestions.

Let us know what happens.
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09-29-2008 09:27 PM  11 years ago
xiViperi

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I just spent several days reading all these posts. Hilarious
Just spent several days reading this thread you guys are hilarious. Shawnee don't buy electric anything if you can't solder. I have had r/c cars since I was 13 and been soldering since day one!!! Don't you remember when the hobby was building the vehicle no ready to fly or ready to run, you had to build and respect your model. Anyway...... I am new to heli's and i'm loving it. I had a blade cx2 kept it six months and got bored. So I just got a belt cp off xheli.com $155!!!!! I got the heli a set of carbon blades and an extra battery for $211 shipped. I have flown it twice can hover no problem and am going to spend some time making adjustments so that i don't have to fight it soo much. Please shawnee learn to solder please. I really don't get why you bought the belt instead of fixing the king makes no sense!!! waste of money. If I had your money I'd throw mine away. lol (get it lol) lmao Great read really helped the slow day go quicker. Yes I will get videos up for you guys. Anyone new to flying I recommend the blade cx2 its really easy to fix and fly. I can't wait to get some forward flight going on this belt cp.

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10-14-2008 11:37 PM  11 years ago
shanee86

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No the tail still ins't working I tryed the blades changing gyro out etc. Still same thing when blade get over say have throttle tail stops spinnign or disingages.My rc site shanesrc.com
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10-14-2008 11:48 PM  11 years ago
tryan02

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shanee you had it right all along Im now flying nitros almost as much as electrics!No Really I am the club President!!!
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10-18-2008 02:52 AM  11 years ago
shanee86

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I am still looking for idea's and help on getting my belt up and running again please help. Tail starts spinning fine but then once you get say half throttle it disengages and slows down to a stop or close to it. Then once you get below half or so it starts up again??? I thought maybe belt was lose looks somewhat like it but I tryed making it tight and that and replaced the belt and same. I tryed replacing the gyro same I tryed switching inputs or directions and reversing servo etc. I tryed I think maybe even switching blades out or around. I don't know what to do any idea's?????????My rc site shanesrc.com
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10-18-2008 02:55 AM  11 years ago
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So the tail blades quit spinning when you get past half throttle?Goblin! where have you been all my life?
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10-18-2008 03:00 AM  11 years ago
shanee86

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Yes well the spin bit it is like a auto or something almost exactly but on tail blades they disengage but still spin till they slow to a stop do to no more power.My rc site shanesrc.com
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10-18-2008 03:05 AM  11 years ago
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Well if the belt is tight,
then check the two gears (and make sure they are not stripped) that the belt is hitched on
in the main body,
and the tail.

I had something similar happen,
and the transfer gear in the heli was stripped.

(It got stripped because the belt was too loose, and the tail blades got held up by some high grass)
Goblin! where have you been all my life?
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10-18-2008 03:24 PM  11 years ago
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No the tail still ins't working I tryed the blades changing gyro out etc. Still same thing when blade get over say have throttle tail stops spinnign or disingages.
It's going to be something mechanical.

Do you have a place you can strap it down so you can run it up w/o it taking off?

That will allow you to see what is going on.
I have a setup where I clamp mine down to a workmate bench. It allowed me once to see I had a bad servo as it was jittering back and forth w/o me touching the sticks.

If you run up your heli w/ it strapped down, you'll be able to see if the belt or something else stops spinning.

Until you can see what is going on, your shooting in the dark.

Please try it!
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10-18-2008 04:08 PM  11 years ago
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I second that,
pin it down,
and remove the main blades,
they aren't part of the equation and it will be safer that way.
Goblin! where have you been all my life?
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10-18-2008 04:11 PM  11 years ago
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Hey, Melnic and heliRapter are going to help get Shanee up in the air
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10-18-2008 04:27 PM  11 years ago
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Is that sarcasm?Goblin! where have you been all my life?
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