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11-20-2007 04:00 PM  10 years agoPost 1
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071120...466gykog4Ws0NUE

"Scientists have made ordinary human skin cells take on the chameleon-like powers of embryonic stem cells, a startling breakthrough that might someday deliver the medical payoffs of embryo cloning without the controversy."

Could be good news...The process has issues, but it removes the need to destroy a fetus to get the materials. This will allow government money to go to research.

Stem cell research is maybe the most promising development in medicine this century. Diabetes, Cancer, Paralysis....All have a good chance of being cured with this line of research. And the ability to get cells without the moral issues is HUGE.

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11-20-2007 04:03 PM  10 years agoPost 2
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Nice- I've always been a strong proponent of engineering the body. If we can, then why not- right?

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11-20-2007 07:18 PM  10 years agoPost 3
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CNN.com had a similar article. It is very promising news but they also cautioned that the technique used to make the cells mimic stem cells involved altering the DNA which could lead to cancerous cells. They also said the DNA issue was a byproduct of the technique and that the technique itself "could" be modified to mitigate that risk. they also said they were a long way off from transitioning this into any useful form of medicine...

I think the human race is quickly getting to the point where we can easily circumvent natural selection. I wonder what our race would have looked like in a thousand years without the development of modern medicine.

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11-20-2007 07:49 PM  10 years agoPost 4
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It is very promising news but they also cautioned that the technique used to make the cells mimic stem cells involved altering the DNA which could lead to cancerous cells. .... I wonder what our race would have looked like in a thousand years without the development of modern medicine.
Maybe the The Hot girls thread will be renamed the "Mostly Tumor Free Girls Thread."

There is a Cord Blood group here that stores cells from umbilical cords. (has tons of stem cells in it) I am told it is already very usefull if your kid gets Lukemia.... potentially tons of other cool stuff as well.

They used to be located upstairs from my lab area. Tons of liquid nitrogen on site. They had a spill overnight and when we came in the following morning it was snowing inside! Fortunately the stored blood was not affected.

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11-20-2007 08:31 PM  10 years agoPost 5
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It gets to a point though...where you walk a fine line.

There's a quote in Jurassic Park where one of the scientists says something to the point of:

"We spent so much time thinking about CAN we...we never stopped to think about SHOULD we."



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11-20-2007 08:55 PM  10 years agoPost 6
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Yeah, that is what is going on now. We are so enveloped in the thought that "We can do it" that we are forgetting to think about "should we do it"...

I personally believe, as i said above, that we are coming close to circumventing natural selection. How are we to know that cancer isn't a mechanism that natural selection uses to make the species stronger?

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11-20-2007 09:54 PM  10 years agoPost 7
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["We spent so much time thinking about CAN we...we never stopped to think about SHOULD we."]

I had not heard that before but that is good!

My motto is this..Fly...Rebuild...Fly

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11-20-2007 11:03 PM  10 years agoPost 8
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I've never understood the anti stem cell research bunch to be honest, the embryos that where being used where going to be aborted regardless, it was not as if they where aborting them just so they could get the cells.

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11-20-2007 11:56 PM  10 years agoPost 9
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That's great news.

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11-21-2007 12:28 AM  10 years agoPost 10
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I've never understood the anti stem cell research bunch to be honest, the embryos that where being used where going to be aborted regardless, it was not as if they where aborting them just so they could get the cells.
I totally agree with you, but I think the fear was that they would perhaps attempt to get people to abort to get the cells, and I think that would be a shame.

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11-21-2007 03:09 AM  10 years agoPost 11
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Bad Karma
I've never understood the anti stem cell research bunch to be honest, the embryos that where being used where going to be aborted regardless, it was not as if they where aborting them just so they could get the cells.
Well there is really two sides to look at to understand their view.
One is as Brian James pointed out that there is a fear that this could bring about a desire to create "embryo farms" just for research. For the pro life crowd this would be creating a life, just to end it for research and they just can't agree to that.

The second issue is that the pro life group just will not accept that even though the stems cells would go to waste anyway....They should not take a life and use it for research.

Personally I would have a problem with the 1st situation, but none with the 2nd. However, I understand that not everyone is going to agree with me....some have no problems with either, and some have problems with just one.
"We spent so much time thinking about CAN we...we never stopped to think about SHOULD we."
I think we should. Frankly, I don't think we should get to the point where we we can custom build our kids...But to end some disease I agree.

With cancer not helping to keep off over population other actions will need to take place...such as just not having so many kids.

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11-21-2007 03:30 AM  10 years agoPost 12
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IIRC they havnt been using stem cells from embryos for about the last year or so anyway, they have been able to take cells from other sources, so to me there is no moral issue with the research any more.

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11-21-2007 03:48 AM  10 years agoPost 13
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Bad Karma
IIRC they havnt been using stem cells from embryos for about the last year or so anyway, they have been able to take cells from other sources
Do you have any other info about that? AFAIK, there is no substitute for human stem cells from embryos before now...thats what made this such a big deal.

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11-21-2007 04:57 AM  10 years agoPost 14
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Genetic manipulation is deserving of extreme caution, it may be the biggest risk to the survival of our species. Our technology will just keep getting more destructive and easier to obtain, but the hate remains. Genetic redesign of humans may be the only way to ensure survival on this planet.

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11-21-2007 06:01 AM  10 years agoPost 15
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they havnt been using stem cells from embryos for about the last year or so anyway
..there is no substitute for human stem cells from embryos before now...thats what made this such a big deal.
Not quite true. There are several sources of lab grown embryonic stem cells, been that way for some time. Cells of various types are being grown on an industrial scale. One donor can provide a nearly endless supply.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7104218.stm

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11-21-2007 01:47 PM  10 years agoPost 16
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There are embryonic stem cells and adult stem cells. In general, embryonic stem cells can "transform" into any cell in the human body. There are also Adult Stem Cells which don't have the ability to transform into any cell in the human body like embryonic stem cells...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adult_stem_cell

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11-21-2007 02:51 PM  10 years agoPost 17
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I think we should. Frankly, I don't think we should get to the point where we we can custom build our kids...But to end some disease I agree.
See the trouble is that for everyone that agrees with this thought, you can find 50 people who disagree. Just because science intends something for good, there are those that will harvest the same technology for what might arguably be considered evil.

I'm not taking sides here, just playing devils advocate and pointing out the extremely slippery slope that you walk along. Some things are, frankly, better left alone, especially those that we possess such little knowledge about...



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11-21-2007 02:55 PM  10 years agoPost 18
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See the trouble is that for everyone that agrees with this thought, you can find 50 people who disagree.
Wow, interesting statistic. Here's another statistic:

For everyone that disagrees, I can find 50 that agree.

And I'll bet I have exactly the same evidence to back that up.

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11-21-2007 03:03 PM  10 years agoPost 19
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Spork - I wasn't trying to quote a statistic, I was simply making a point!



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11-21-2007 03:24 PM  10 years agoPost 20
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apparently, so was spork...

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