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03-09-2008 10:23 PM  10 years agoPost 941
Matt-Drummer

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I will do mine as `lefties' if its possible, as long as the washout base is symmetrical as depicted by the manual then its fine, it just doesn't look symmetrical fom the recent photographs posted on here but its hard to tell.

I will make my mind up when my I build my kit but either way there is a solution.

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03-09-2008 10:41 PM  10 years agoPost 942
tchavei

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but either way there is a solution.
Exactly. At least they got the tail rotor on the right side... lol

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03-09-2008 10:42 PM  10 years agoPost 943
Matt-Drummer

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And the main rotor head on the top!

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03-09-2008 11:04 PM  10 years agoPost 944
mickeyapples

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Wash out base has holes on both ends and it looks like it can be flipped. there is also a JR logo on the inside of the arm which should be on the outside

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03-09-2008 11:11 PM  10 years agoPost 945
tchavei

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one more reason to install it on the left side

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03-09-2008 11:18 PM  10 years agoPost 946
hootowl

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Looks like a really well designed machine. I'm curious how stiff the frameset is if you hold it and try flexing it by shifting the head side to side.

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03-09-2008 11:50 PM  10 years agoPost 947
Droid

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Reason for the washout arms being "wrong way" round??

They have gone to leading edge control on the mains, this involves the old grip flip procedure 'ala' the R50 grip flip....

The washout links look to be the same as the V90.

BTW Colsy reckons that Curtis has had too much input with this seeing as he a fetish with put writing on upside down or inside out.

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03-10-2008 12:17 AM  10 years agoPost 948
tchavei

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Droid, flipping the washout arms has no ultimate effect as far as I can see... lets wait to mac_man's answer tomorrow.

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03-10-2008 01:03 AM  10 years agoPost 949
Droid

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Tony, i mean that that is the reason for them being upside down.

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03-10-2008 01:58 AM  10 years agoPost 950
tchavei

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Yes they are flipped but on the vibe 90 you flip the grips but have no reason to flip the washout arms too. This is getting more and more confusing as the hours pass. I checked the manual and in every single pic they show, the washout arms are flipped. I can understand one screw up on a page but through the entire manual? oh boy...

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03-10-2008 02:57 AM  10 years agoPost 951
Jon Roger

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It is not possible to use the left hole on the washout base. The bolt holding the washout arm will jam against the pitch link.

The washout base is one of the parts that is different from the prototype heli, so i guess that is why the picture on the box is wrong.

I promised you a video some hours ago, but youtube would not cooperate today. But I finally managed to sneak in a heavily compressed clip.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDk9HfTpT5U

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03-10-2008 03:14 AM  10 years agoPost 952
10X

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Jon,

What pitch range are you running, what gyro and servo??

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03-10-2008 03:35 AM  10 years agoPost 953
Jon Roger

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I dont know the pitch range. I have never owned a pitchmeter, I just try different pitch settings until it feels right. Still trying out different settings as I have only had three flights on the Vibe yet.

The governor magnet managed to escape from the heli in the second flight, so I am just running v-kurves on the throttle in the video. So the engine performance is not 100%.

I am using JR 8455 servos on the swash and a 1800mAh NiCd battery. I will probably install some LiPo and a regulator later. I think the corkscrew tendency you see in the rolls is due to ccpm interaction because the heli tracks very well in both upright and inverted flight. I have used the same servo setup in my Venture 90, and installing the SGPreactor definately made a difference there.

Using the JR770 gyro with 8900 servo.

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03-10-2008 03:52 AM  10 years agoPost 954
tchavei

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Are u using 120 or 140 ccpm?

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03-10-2008 04:38 AM  10 years agoPost 955
10X

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What does the SG Preactor help do, does it help with the interaction? CCPM is kind of new to me, I have for the most part flew Raptor's, so I didn't have to deal with interaction issues. It looks like I'm starting to get my feet wet now, there isn't many kits left out there that are not CCPM. The 770 seems to be doing ok for you also.

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03-10-2008 06:31 AM  10 years agoPost 956
Jon Roger

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I am using 140 ccpm, the lesser of the two evils.

The regulator supplies a higher voltage to the servos than the conventional NiCd battery and this increases the torque and speed of the servos. For a given combination of stick inputs one of the servos might have to move more than the others and so it will take longer time for this servo to reach its new position. This delay leads to interaction, but having faster servos help and makes the interaction less noticeable.

The ccpm system is nothing but a cheap and easy way to design helicopters. People that convert their Raptors to ccpm are out of their minds.

But like you say it is not many non ccpm helies on the market anymore, so one might just as well learn to deal with it. It is not like this is the only thing that matters in a heli.

Apart from the Cyclic Collective Pitch Mess I think the Vibe 50 is a very well designed heli.

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03-10-2008 06:59 AM  10 years agoPost 957
JJ-TREX450

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Saginaw, MI - USA

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How will you carry it around.
How would you be able to travel along with your heli. Do you have any carrying case like Trex? Or is their any other possibility. Traveling along meaning that how would you be able to carry your heli from one country to another without damaging it.

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03-10-2008 10:08 AM  10 years agoPost 958
steverobertsuk

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Guys

Please follow the manual, Yes it looks wrong having to put the 'dog leg' link on backwards but it is correct. This is how my model is and it flies great.

Test flew Sunday at 10am!!! Beat you all

Having had one of the original proto-types, which I thought was fantastic, this one is even better! Still running the engine in but I can see it being a 3D beast already!

Cant wait till the next flying session...

Steve

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03-10-2008 12:15 PM  10 years agoPost 959
10X

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Is anyone going to use the Solid G in your new build, if so what servo?

When setting up the gyro, has Curtis added the Vibe 50 airframe in the menu at this time.

I'm looking into building a Vibe 50, just trying to get ideas for electronics.

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03-10-2008 02:27 PM  10 years agoPost 960
tchavei

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I'm going to put a spartan on it so...

Anyway, I just tracked my bird and its in france now I thought parcelforce had an agreement with the portuguese EMS (which is great. 72h Uk->Portugal) but apparently it has an agreement with gls (which sucks here in Portugal) so now I have to keep track of it and once I see that has entered Portugal, I need to call gls to make sure they don't loose it.

Oh well... until end of the week I should have it in my hands.

Thx steve for the update. If they want it backwards, backwards it will be

Jon: very nice video, like your caos but dude, that engine was SCREAMING so much it resembled a freaking turbine. What were you running? 2200 no? Looked like red line to me. Congrats anyway Its a beautiful machine.

Now get back there and fix your ccpm interactions

Oh and today I want a video with some fast tictocs ok? So take the day off and go to the field

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