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HomeAircraftHelicopterJR Heli Vibe 90/50, Sylphide 90, GSR260 › Vibe 50 , March , Maybe???
03-09-2008 04:33 PM  10 years agoPost 921
mdu6

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You have done as per the manual.

I think what BlueGarry1 was saying is put this way the washout links end up the 'wrong' way, with smallest hole towards the ball link.

Was putting the arm on the ball link hard to do ?

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03-09-2008 04:34 PM  10 years agoPost 922
tchavei

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Yes, I just realised that. Well as long as it works and the link doesn't pop off or cracks, I don't see a problem.

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03-09-2008 05:31 PM  10 years agoPost 923
BlueGarry1

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Tony

O.K. I've done it, but boy oh boy was it bloody hard to force the links over the balls the wrong way round.

I'm sure this is wrong as every JR model I've ever built makes it clear that there's a right & a wrong way round to put the ball links.

Anyhow, it's on now as per the manual. Thanks for your help mate !!

Garry

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03-09-2008 07:28 PM  10 years agoPost 924
tchavei

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Yes its definately wierd.

It probably would have been easier to remove the ball and snap it in from the inside before bolting the ball back on but you're righ, you shouldn't need to do that.

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03-09-2008 07:35 PM  10 years agoPost 925
RotarSoft

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Garry,

Build thread here... check yours against the pictures here:

http://www.rcheliaddict.co.uk/showthread.php?t=9788

You should definitely not be having to force anything on.. it is possible for the manual to be wrong!

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Mark

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03-09-2008 07:39 PM  10 years agoPost 926
mickeyapples

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Well the build has finished and its been great, really enjoyed it, a great kit where parts just fit together perfect, from coming from a raptor and two trex 600 this kit is just quality. now the best bit electrics installation.

Live life on the edge. Stand next to me when I am flying

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03-09-2008 07:54 PM  10 years agoPost 927
BlueGarry1

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Thanks Mark

I cant understand why it was so difficult to get the washout arm ball links on. Never had this probelm with a JR machine before. I wonder if the links could have been made the wrong way round. I tried everything I knew before I got it done.

Still, I loved building this machine and think its great !!

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03-09-2008 08:03 PM  10 years agoPost 928
RotarSoft

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Garry,

I think the manual is wrong.. you shouldn't have to force anything.

Just checked my Vibe 90 and they mount in the left hole.. and no forcing of links were required..

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Mark

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03-09-2008 08:09 PM  10 years agoPost 929
Jon Roger

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I got my Vibe 50 airborne for the first time at 4pm today. Did anyone beat me to it?

There is some in flight pictures to be found here:
http://www.home.no/kittel2k/Vibe50/

I am trying to upload a video right now(nothing extreme), but it seems to take forever. I will post a link when it is complete.

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03-09-2008 08:10 PM  10 years agoPost 930
tchavei

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Wow

You must be number one then... how did it felt? Compared to what? We need more info

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03-09-2008 08:13 PM  10 years agoPost 931
tchavei

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On rc addict the washout arms are also on the right side so the guy had to force them backwards too...

The plot thikens...

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03-09-2008 08:22 PM  10 years agoPost 932
Matt-Drummer

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The washout base has the holes for the washout arms at the opposite end to the Airskipper, the only way to make it the same is to put the washout base on the shaft the other way up which is clearly wrong.

I think JR put the A arms on the wrong way round as it seems different to their other helicopters and the solution will be to either reinstall the A arms the other way around or install the link with the ball removed from the swashplate (through the small side of the link) and then re-attach the ball when its in the link.

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03-09-2008 08:28 PM  10 years agoPost 933
Matt-Drummer

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Actually, looking at the pictures I don't think that the A arms can be reversed, therefore the problem would seem to arise from the fact that JR have used their standard A arm moulding but have decided to mount the washout arm on the opposite end of the washout base to all their other helicopters, hence the writing on the washout arms is upside down and the A arms can only be attached from the correct side by removing the ball from the swashplate.

In summary, the washout base design has been reversed but the washout arms and A arms (drop links) have been sourced from their parts bin but do not fit the reversed washout base as originally designed, basically they needed new washout arms and drop links but didn't bother!

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03-09-2008 08:59 PM  10 years agoPost 934
tchavei

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Nice explanation Matt, however there is only little detail to be studied... what the heck is the diference between having them in the right hole vs left hole? I can't imagine the diference in my head.

a) using right holes:

if you tilt the swasplate forward, front side of the flybar cage is pulled downwards by the washout arm most close to us and the backside is pushed upwards by the washout arm most far away from us

b) using left holes:

if you tilt the swashplate forward, back side of the flybar is pushed upwards by the washout arm that is most close to us and the front side of the flybar is pulled downwards by washout arm that is on the other side.

I just setup a Knight 3D this afternoon and guess what? It has the washout arms in the left hole too.

Either the manual is wrong or Matt is right and JR needs to make new links

Any thought on this?

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03-09-2008 09:36 PM  10 years agoPost 935
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Ok. I just checked 50 helicopters ranging from raptors, hirobos, RJX, MA, JR, Kyosho, vario, zoom, compass, etc, etc.

There isn't even one that has the arms on the right side of the washout block. They are all lefties. Heck, even the big picture on the Vibe 50's box has them as "lefties".

Even the pics at horizon hobbies from the V3D show the washout arms on the left side, just as the pics on little rotors.

The only "right side" pics I've found are from people that built the vibe this weekend (following the manual) and from the latest pics from steve (factory uk pilot). The pic that show the washout block with the mixing arms on the left (like it should be) are from a previous build (prototype)

So once again... either JR found something revolutionary by swapping the mixing arms to the wrong (ups, I mean right hole) side or they screwed up the manual.

Unless we get some fresh info tomorrow from Mac_man or Steve himself, mines are going to be "lefty" just like the whole world has them on every single helicopter I've seen.

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03-09-2008 09:56 PM  10 years agoPost 936
RotarSoft

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Tony,

As I've said.. I'm pretty sure the manual is wrong..

Looking at the geometry it should make no difference whether they are left or right.. the only difference being whether the links fit on the balls with out undue effort.. which if you mount on the right hand side they won't..

Certainly when I get my kit out of the next batch it will be a leftie..

Mark

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03-09-2008 10:02 PM  10 years agoPost 937
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I don't think it makes any difference what `side' the washout arms are mounted.

The washout arms are translate the movement from the swashplate to the flybar, whichever way you do it the short side of the washout lever goes down and the opposite long side goes u (or vice versa).

The Vibe 50 can't be built the other way (at least I don't think so) without turning the washout base upside down.

The orientation of the washout arms is determined by which end the mounting points are situated on the washout base.

It makes no difference in the end (in my opinion anyway, and I stand to be corrected) and you just have to mount the A arm by removing the ball from the swahplate if you wish to avoid stressing the link by putting it on from the wrong side.

Mine will be built as per the manual (I don't think there is any alternative when you see the parts in your hand) and I will just install the link by removing the ball from the swashplate.

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03-09-2008 10:04 PM  10 years agoPost 938
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I don't think you will be able to build it as a `leftie' as that is not the way the washout base is designed and the washout arms are handed so can't just be flipped around the other way.

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03-09-2008 10:11 PM  10 years agoPost 939
Matt-Drummer

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The washout base in the manual seems to have holes at both ends but in the pictures on this site its hard to see. If the washout base has holes both ends then its easy to build it as normal.

As I won't have my kit until Tuesday I can't check the part in my hand.

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03-09-2008 10:17 PM  10 years agoPost 940
tchavei

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I'm almost 100% sure it has holes on both ends. Check the manual on page 25. two holes, perfect simetrical washout base.

As you see you can mount the arms either way without hassles. Mines are going to be lefties. Screw the manual

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