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09-22-2007 02:53 PM  12 years ago
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T-Rex-Flyer

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Phoenix CC-35 in governor mode
I would like to set up the Phoenix CC-35 in governor mode. This CC-35 is about 3yo and I have never tried it, do I need to update to the latest firmware? What setting should I use with the Aon 3500 motor? Thanks.

Edit: I do have the Phoenix Castle Link.
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09-22-2007 03:25 PM  12 years ago
Graybug

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Yes, absolutely! Since you have the link USB cable, it's super easy. The Phoenix upgrade 1.51b is heli specific and is an absolute must. If you upgrade with the most recent version (1.56) you'll have all the heli stuff and more. But be sure to read all the instructions regarding settings for the heli modes. I especially like being able to control the startup speed--no more stripped main gears from a sudden jolt of power, even with the blades fixed!
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09-22-2007 10:51 PM  12 years ago
KamikaziRcPilot

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I've worked extensively with the CC35. Check out the T-Rex_Tips document in my gallery. I've documented the entire process of setting up the CC35 in governor mode. As Graybug stated, start by updating the firmware.
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09-23-2007 01:55 AM  12 years ago
dct

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I tried governor and it sucks!
And yes I read your tips.
I went back to throttle curves and never looked back.
Here is one good reason not to use gov ... You will loos about two minutes of flight time.
Another reason ,,, every time you change pitch your governor will try and hold rpm's and your gyro and tail will jump all the time I tried for days to get it to work.
And yes I tried all the updates ...
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09-23-2007 02:13 AM  12 years ago
flyboy907

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I have had my trex in gov mode with the cc35 and a JGF 500Th powered by TP 2200mah 25c 3 cell packs and in my opinion it can't be beat, once set up properly i have had no problems with tail or gyro, from hover i can input full pitch and tail is solid once you have got all of the updates reply and i will give you the setting i have, great help is to use finless setup at heli-freak for the HV85 control setup is almost exactly the same and video is great good luck
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09-23-2007 02:20 AM  12 years ago
dct

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Yep,, I did that too. And it didn't work for me.
And everyone keeps saying did you get the updates YES!And it still didn't work for me.
I have over 550 flights using throttle curves and it just works!

In the end,, they keep thinking it's the stock 430l 3550 motor with 12T pinion? Well,, the same setup works great using throttle curves!
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09-23-2007 02:36 AM  12 years ago
KamikaziRcPilot

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"Here is one good reason not to use gov ... You will lose about two minutes of flight time."

The reason for the shorter flight times is because the governor increases the amp draw as the voltage drops to provide the constant wattage needed to maintain the headspeed. The advantage in using governor is that the headspeed is the same at the end of the flight as it is at the beginning. I prefer governor mode because the heli doesn't change behavior as the flight progresses. I've not had the problem with the tail not holding. I use the GY401/S9650 combo.

There are ESC / motor combinations that don't work well together. I started with the Align 430L motor, then switched to the Medusa 28-32-3400. It's takes some time and patience to fine-tune the setup. A few of my friends didn't understand the process of setting up the governor, and then switched back to using curves. Once I worked with them and walked through everything, their heli's flew great.
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09-23-2007 03:02 AM  12 years ago
flyboy907

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yea i agree every combo of motor and esc are going to be different and it is all really up to your own opinion and flying style althoug i fly 2850 headspeed fff and circuits and have been getting 7:30 flight tims with putting back 1750-1800 back into a 2200 mah battery so flight times for me have been great. all personal preference.
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09-23-2007 05:08 AM  12 years ago
zguy

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Is anyone using the cc35 in governor mode w/ a DX7 transmitter?

Using ver 1.56 and a spoolup setting of 10 it still takes about 40 seconds to get to full head speed. Anyone having a better experience?

I've called Castle and posted on this issue, but they say they're backlogged to get a fix out
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09-23-2007 05:42 AM  12 years ago
T-Rex-Flyer

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Thanks for all the inputs.
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09-23-2007 01:59 PM  12 years ago
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On the spool up, here's my technique. I keep the setting so the spoolup is slow--that way if the motor kicks on for any reason when I don't want it to it's not a big pulse of torque that might strip the main gear. But, since I'm impatient when I want to get flying, I have my Idle 1 bottom two throttle points (of 5) set at 6%--once the startup rpm gets above that (about 6-8 seconds) I drop the pitch/throttle full down briefly, then when I bring it up the motor is already "spooled up" and now responds quickly to throttle movements. Hence I can now throttle up to 2800 quickly and go fly.
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09-23-2007 04:21 PM  12 years ago
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Is anyone using the cc35 in governor mode w/ a DX7 transmitter?

Using ver 1.56 and a spoolup setting of 10 it still takes about 40 seconds to get to full head speed. Anyone having a better experience?

I've called Castle and posted on this issue, but they say they're backlogged to get a fix out
Try the 1.55, i tried the 1.56 and it sucks!! my tail moved all the time, i changed to 1.55 and problem solved!!
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09-23-2007 05:48 PM  12 years ago
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MIKe27: Really? All the time? Can you describe the tail movement in more detail. I'm having a tail movement/twitch problem I haven't quite figured out yet. What was the exact problem with 1.56?
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09-23-2007 05:54 PM  12 years ago
MIKe27

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It had a small hunting movement, and my friend had the same problem and we both changed to 1.55 and problem solved!! i have a rock steady tail just by chageing the firmware..and another thing we did was to put the Gain in 100% , the throttle responce to 10 and the spool up to high, and it works GREAT!! tons of power all the time!!
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09-25-2007 06:08 AM  12 years ago
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KamikaziRcPilot
In you're tip file you wrote
If you notice the rpms fluctuating, turn down the governor to about 20, slowly increment it until it starts to fluctuate, then back it down a few number
What setting are you referring to? Are you talking about the Governor Gain there?

Also Throttle response, should that be set to Low or High?

Thanks.
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09-25-2007 11:27 AM  12 years ago
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Try everything maxed out! i use it that way and it works great!!!
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09-25-2007 12:56 PM  12 years ago
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T-Rex-Flyer: Yes, it's the governor "gain" I was refering to. Sorry about that. I'll update my document to make that clear.

Here are my CC35 settings:

Brake Ramp: Super Slow
Cutoff Voltage: 60
Hex55: 85
Brake Strength: 0
Direction: Forward (*)
Spool-Up Speed: 10
Throttle Type: Heli: Governor High
Current Limiting: Disabled
Brake Delay: .6 sec (Delayed) (*)
Motor Start Power: 44.9375
Throttle Response: 2
Motor Timing: Standard Advance (*)
Cutoff Type: Soft Cutoff
PWM Rate: 13khz (*)
Governor Gain: 41.4285714285714
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09-26-2007 04:05 PM  12 years ago
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MIKe27
Why do I get the feeling you're pulling my leg here.

KamikaziRcPilot
Still getting some rpm fluctuating going to work on that today.
When I get aggressive on the collective the tall seems to drift to the right(counter clock wise)just a little.
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09-26-2007 04:09 PM  12 years ago
gmebey

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By maxing out the throttle input you essentially disable the governor but not allowing it to provide the ability to increase the percentage of drive to the motor….This is call the heard-room.

From what I have read and my background in control theory…I would have to say do not exceed 90% on the throttle curve.
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09-26-2007 04:11 PM  12 years ago
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Oh forgot one small part....maxing out the gain can cause the head speed to fluctuate.....and maybe even violently"Once you are in RC you are in for life. You may go away but it will draw you back." By an
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