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03-03-2008 03:58 PM  10 years agoPost 221
SSN Pru

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Please tell me this aircraft has more than a gas operated gun mounted on the ramp going into a hot LZ?
Tell me what the other weaponry on other assault helicopters is...

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03-03-2008 09:22 PM  10 years agoPost 222
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for starters, one of these on each side...

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03-04-2008 12:04 AM  10 years agoPost 223
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at least you think so...

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03-04-2008 12:07 AM  10 years agoPost 224
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7.62 mini gun
At a minimum a mini gun like on the HH-60's, plus your "high profile cargo" can fire from both sides. A gas operated gun on a modern aircraft just does not cut the bill anymore.

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03-06-2008 09:49 PM  10 years agoPost 225
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As of 4 January, VMM-263 had flown 1,752 hours in
Iraq without a mishap, carrying 7,144 passengers and
686,047 pounds of cargo day and night around al Anbar
province, the Marine Corps’ area of responsibility, and in
some cases to Baghdad and Kuwait. The Army is responsible
for the rest of Iraq, except for small areas covered
by allied troops.
In December, three of VMM-263’s Ospreys largely sat
idle around the clock as the squadron stood on alert for
casualty evacuation calls but never got any. Still, in VMM-
263’s first three months in Iraq, the Thunder Chickens
flew more hours, carried more passengers and hauled
more cargo than the squadron of 11 CH-53D Sea Stallion transport helicopters they replaced at Al Asad.
passengers,, cargo,, stood on alert,,,,,,,,,,,, It did all that and V-22s only cost $120 Mil apiece....

hootowl,,, every activity you've described could be done by a modern helicopter,,, at a fraction of the cost...
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03-06-2008 10:44 PM  10 years agoPost 226
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hootowl,,, every activity you've described could be done by a modern helicopter,,, at a fraction of the cost...
Yes that is true. But none of them have the reserve capability anywhere close to the V-22. Give it a break. What do you expect from the very first real deployment.

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03-07-2008 12:27 AM  10 years agoPost 227
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give it a break is right. he expects these V-22's to cure world hunger on the first deployment...

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03-08-2008 11:45 PM  10 years agoPost 228
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Yes that is true. But none of them have the reserve capability anywhere close to the V-22. Give it a break. What do you expect from the very first real deployment.
Poor Osprey,,, I'm picking on it,,, BoHo BoHo,,, give it a break...

I can just see Marine DI's saying to new Recruits in Boot Camp,, "We're going to give you a break,, we know the enemy will... So if you don't qualify with your rifle ,, no problem... If you can't pass the physical fitness tests,, no problem"... Yeah,, right...

In 2004 Marine Col. Daniel Schultz, the V-22 Osprey program manager called the aircraft. “A Warfighter’s Aircraft”

hootowl,,,,,, The V-22 Osprey is not "the very first real development",,, it's a 25 year old design... The Osprey has had 25 years and tens of Billions of dollars worth of "breaks".... It's time for it to prove it's a "Warfighter's Aircraft",,,,, not a ridiculously expensive truck...
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03-08-2008 11:51 PM  10 years agoPost 229
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a ridiculously expensive truck...
Still shilling for the competition, eh? Who signs your paychecks, AS?

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03-09-2008 01:55 AM  10 years agoPost 230
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Most if not all initial deployments of new platforms are carefully introduced. You can't test everything and you can never predict the situations you may encounter in the field. Are they being careful? Probably. Were the first CH-47 deployments all out? Doubt that very much.

The good news is it's doing well in spite of your wishes Apache. And the more hours it logs the more pissed you will get.

Glad you aren't in the military anymore.

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03-09-2008 04:51 AM  10 years agoPost 231
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Still shilling for the competition, eh? Who signs your paychecks, AS?
Hey GimbalFan how ya doin buddy,,,, Yea,,, I work for the Sickorsee Aircraft Co. and they pay me to hang out here on Off Topics....

I wonder if hootowl will post how much Boeing pays him for working on the Osprey $140K, $150K a year?????.....

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03-09-2008 05:12 AM  10 years agoPost 232
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The tone, the misleading nature and the plain inaccuracy of many of your posts on this thread have rendered your comments irrelevant. Only a shill would say what you've said here. Congratulations on becoming laughable.

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03-10-2008 01:45 AM  10 years agoPost 233
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Hey the F-22 is 25 years old too, but it doesn't have to prove to anybody that it is a "Warfighter's Aircraft".

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03-10-2008 03:55 AM  10 years agoPost 234
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I worked for Boeing for ten years.... ten years ago. Before that I had nothing to do with the aerospace industry. Since then I have worked for a subcontractor that does work for a myriad of industries including Boeing. Then I worked for a company that again had nothing to do with aerospace for three years. Today I do not work for Boeing but I do work "at" Boeing. Not as a shill or a cheerleader. I just love aerospace and the things people make that fly. The V-22 is a fascinating machine. I watched it go from first production part to where it is today, despite the naysayers.

Bell-Boeing..... V-22.... success!

Boeing-Sikorski.... Comanche... cancelled

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03-10-2008 04:17 AM  10 years agoPost 235
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Triple Redundent Fault Tolerent Digital Fly by Wire Flight Control System
I tried to work on this project after I finished functional test at board level on B2 AFCS & it's 17 boards that made up a computer (x4 per system) at what was then GE in Binghamton. They were downsizing and I was told by my new boss 'GE didn't need my kind of quality on V22'. My only thought was I did cause over 200ECNs on B2 @$10k ea plus or minus what had to be recalled from the field or reworked on site. It was my fault that my old boss said to dot every (eye) & cross every (tee) & make sure GE wouldn't get egg on it's face when it went in front of the customer & there were either holes in the spec or a circuit that didn't make it to the test limits. I did over temp tests & also got a hold of all the LRU failures (before they did repair) to reprove and/or enhance the test. On that control there are over 190 analog inputs, 96 outputs, also 72 digital I/Os & CCDL, multiple 1553(BC & RT) interfaces, the LVDT & PS monitor shared a board & the PS was a boat anchor compaired to a PCs. The motherboard held another slot for a cool board removed for flight called TCI (tester consol interface) which intervaced this to a VAX for functional & simulations of the software (long before the pre-preduction hardware was built). I had good contacts in engineering which made my quality testing job very easy & let me learn the flight control functions & their interactions with the opsys. I wanted the ABC (analog backup computer) to stay onboard till the end of pre-prod test sims & integration. I was told I didn't want to work on this by my friends because the mission model changed 3 times in 2 months. The spec was as fluid as anyone wanted it to be on any given day & nobody would ever prove all the functions alone at board level so the system would be so clumsy that any reset would take 2.75s for the plane to be flying again. That's a long time & it's also wiped the fault tree (on all 3 computers, not just the master or either slave). The only memory that's saved is the where in the software you left & what were the flags & traps. What you didn't get was the data from any sensor so get new data, a few hundred thousand computer cycles later & the plane can respond to your control input. That is a very long time to be holdiog on waiting to control a failing aircraft. I saw the Navy rep walk out of a PDR shaking his head saying 'get your stuff (the 4 letter S word got bleeped by RunRyder) together' & I bought him a cup of coffee & we talked a little, that was in '88. My best bet don't fly a B(BA)609 without drinking heavy before, during & quickie when you get back on the ground. Last I heard all the functions to use autorotation are still in place just not implemented, latest mission role 20% helo, 80% airplane & if proof of all I/O functions over temp is out there, I didn't do it! Does anyone have a cause for B2 crash yet?
. Bob
.. I'd build it a little different,
... from the airframe to the powerplants
.... to adaptivie airfoils and 'Applied Inference' in a new AFCS.
..... I don't have any believers in my birotor dual arch autogyro.

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03-10-2008 04:57 AM  10 years agoPost 236
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IEC, still?

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03-10-2008 05:17 AM  10 years agoPost 237
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IEC, still?
Boidman,,,, is IEC a software standard, hardware standard, type of engineering review, or ??????
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03-10-2008 05:21 AM  10 years agoPost 238
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It's directed at Bob.

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03-10-2008 02:20 PM  10 years agoPost 239
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Hi Boidman? Sorry didn't connect the writing style to a face - WTFRU?
No, left western NY 6yrs ago, sorta miss it there were a lot of good friends & cheap golf out there. So you know me, but I couldn't place you from your other posts. Do you agree GE could have done a more to make V22 a more flight worthy controller? It would have cost more, but money spent might have kept that pilot's phinger off the RESET (several times) button.
The whole ABC thing, it wasn't even finished with pre-production & they yanked the only control that made XY-15 fly straight.
I like to quote from music so ...
'Who are you? Who who who who? Who the phuck R U?

.not. 2 put in a plug for a business,
IEC Electronics - conctract manufacturer in Newark, NY at one time
largest employer between Rochester & Syracuse. At
christmas one year we made 12k Compaq motherboards
per week for a couple months. Hundreds of pick &
place machines on over 2 dozen lines. The founder
Roger Main & MyBoss Rich Lee always applied
quality to any product we built here in the USA.

(cost of any American products does not reflect any trade imbalence or quality of products truely built to spec, nor does the greed of any middleman or politician effect employment levels of technicially
trained people without an H1B visa)

Anyone want to build an Autogyro for Flugtag?
parafoil rotor blades & 2 arches for a blended wing & body?

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03-10-2008 02:35 PM  10 years agoPost 240
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Anyone want to build an Autogyro for Flugtag?
parafoil rotor blades & 2 arches for a blended wing & body?
Apache Snow will help you if it's a tilt rotor autogyro. Just make sure it doesn't fly too well and toss him off the pier. Get a video and post it here too so we can all laugh...

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