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09-08-2007 11:14 PM  12 years ago
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rudderman

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Anyone have any tips for nose in hover ?
Well I have gotten hovering down pretty good except nose in.I can do figure eights,Side hover and forward flight.But for some reason as soon as I get the nose pointing at me everything goes haywire.So I was wondering if anyone out there has any tips so I can learn it better thanks
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09-08-2007 11:41 PM  12 years ago
whirlydude

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Yup, it's called practice, practice, and practice.
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09-09-2007 12:14 AM  12 years ago
Jimmi

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Best way I found is to strap your training gear back on and practice. If you have a sim, it will be soooo much easier. Good luck, JimmiA computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing
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09-09-2007 02:52 AM  12 years ago
Free Bird

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When nose in, if the heli starts to drift to your left, move the stick to the left. The heli is actually drifting to its right, so the left input will stop the drift. Same goes for fore/aft. If the heli drifts toward you, pull the stick toward you. If you have a sim, try it there and you'll see how it works. I've also found that strapping on the training gear and start nose in training from the ground up to be easier. Just my experiences.I meant to do that!
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09-09-2007 03:38 AM  12 years ago
Gino CP

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Don't just turn the heli in flight. Put the trainers back on and start learning from the ground. It is Radds all over again. Dedicate whole packs and whole sessions to the exercise. Occasionally squeeze in some tail in flights so as not to mess up that skill.

This seems harder but it will be quicker. It covers all the fundamentals.
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09-09-2007 05:19 AM  12 years ago
futuramille

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I agree with Gino. You first have to feel secure and staying low, learning to hover again by starting out nose in will help overcome the jitters you feel just thinking about turning nose in. Once you get into a hover down low (with training gear) there is another "wall of nervousness" that you have to break through. Thats transitioning to nose in while hovering up higher from tail in position. In this, remember that your escape plan is a simple pump of the control stick to bring it back to tail in. Try slowing down piroets, whichever direction is most comfy for you. the slower you go, the longer your nose in and the escape is to speed up the piroet.

Another technique is doing remote circles or well rounded figure eights (full ff circle out in front of you) and extending the circle into more of an oval shape so you fly away from you further and thus have a more extended time of flying back directly at you. In this, your escape is simply to turn sooner to a side in and fly on around the circle sooner or pitch up to stop ff as you swing the tail towards you. It helps to fly a little higher with this method so that you have time to regain control after bringing the tail towards you.

As Gino mentined also remember not to do too much nose in work without spending some time tail in or you could find yourself just as confused tail in as nose in when executing your escapes.

I would definitly start down low with training gear though...that's step one.


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09-09-2007 05:25 AM  12 years ago
tutelar-rc

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A tip I saw somewhere that did it for me is:

"Fly the rotor"

That means that wherever the rotor is low, push the stick to that side...

I was having a real problem getting nose in, when I found this tip - tried it on the SIM first, and my brain could cope with it.

Hope this helps!
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09-09-2007 10:30 AM  12 years ago
Gino CP

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You really shouldn't be "thinking" about your move. In certain situations, you will not have time to "think". Just keep practicing until it becomes automatic. Muscle memory. It has to be muscle memory.Turn on a dime. Flip like a quarter. Feel like a million bucks.
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09-09-2007 12:33 PM  12 years ago
d_wheel

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Yep, put the training gear back on and practice, practice, practice.

Later;

D.W.
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09-09-2007 02:46 PM  12 years ago
Zaneman007

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I know the feeling(nerves). My suggestion would be to rotate the heli 90 degrees. Hold each position for a second then move on. If you get flustered, go tail in, get control and do it again?

Keep up the good work.
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09-09-2007 03:24 PM  12 years ago
rudderman

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Thanks guys for all the tips.Don't talk to me you will make me crash
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09-09-2007 07:09 PM  12 years ago
shanee86

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I posted a subject like this awhile back and not much reply's so I am glad to find this topic. As it help's me to thank you all for the info. But I think my problem is I am just to scared to crash again because I can fly cx noise in but mess up sometimes and I can fly noise in fine on Real Flight G3 and so I can probably do it just scared and nervouse and when I get nervouse flying I mess up.My rc site shanesrc.com
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09-10-2007 07:29 PM  12 years ago
toolmkr

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One tip that has helped me with the tail when nose in was to fly the farthest away part of the heli from me. Fly the tail when nose in and the canopy tail in.
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09-12-2007 08:38 AM  12 years ago
krashtagain

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Best way to learn nose in is setting on your couch at home drinking some beer w/ the old lady in the room bitchin at you for drinking beer and flying that damn helicopter in the house . If you can learn to hover nose in w/ all that bs goin on you got it made .If you're not living on the edge you're just taking up space !
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09-12-2007 09:55 AM  12 years ago
Ed1955

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My Two Cents...............
Although I strongly agree with Gino and others on some points, I took it a step further. What I did was to put the training gear back on and fly nose straight out on a long, flat paved area. I would then piro or turn around (180 degrees) the machine nose in but instead of keeping the entire machine off of the ground over asphalt, I would give it just enough collective to get the tail and the two rear training balls in the air, (now that funny term may be relevant) off of the ground and bring the machine back to you with the two front balls skidding on the tarmac and the rear two slightly in the air. What this did for me is kind of teach me orientation as to which move it going to make the bird move left or right but it's really almost like driving a car with it's tail in the air so it moves pretty smoothly. My obvious objective is not to end up replacing parts and fixing the machine again but learn not to panic and over correct when I apply the wrong stick inputs. This worked for me but the bottom line is that I've not practiced it enough to really fly nose in at any substantial altitude, that takes real training balz! I'm a noob also and have had a few crashes and all of them have been caused by panic during loss of orientation and throttling down instead of up, not that I would have been able to save the machine in all cases, but I might have avoided one or two crashes with time to get my bearings and bring it back to the planet safely. Practice until you start to get tired of flying and then go to the sim again. Just my two cents.
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09-13-2007 04:39 AM  12 years ago
Micro-Maniac

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My recommendation is simple - You're already at the nose-in threshold with figure8s - Just slow your figure8s down as you come around nose-in from each direction - You're escape route is to just continue on through the figure8s that you're already accustomed to - Just ease into it and try to go slower and slower and then hold it longer and longer and nose-in will be a breeze - Little or no thinking required (mentally still fig8s) so you'll hardly break a sweat this way
(you can even tighten fig8s into stationary piros and still think of 'em as fig8s for comfort)
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09-13-2007 05:42 AM  12 years ago
buster232

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Use tracking tape to color your left skid red. Whenever your push left on your stick, the heli will always go in the direction of the red skid. It doesn't matter what the orientation is nose in, out or sideways. If the heli begins to drift away from the red skid or into it you can quickly correct with out thought. The nose goes up and down just like tail in hover. Combine that with "fly the tail" with your left hand. Visualize it when you are sitting around bored. It will prepare you for the field and costs nothing.
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09-13-2007 05:46 AM  12 years ago
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"Best way to learn nose in is setting on your couch at home drinking some beer w/ the old lady in the room bitchin at you for drinking beer and flying that damn helicopter in the house . If you can learn to hover nose in w/ all that bs goin on you got it made ."
Bwaaahhhhh!! So true to the family guy, but if you have a heli, you prob dont have a girlfriend, or wife, or for that matter, anyone....just my vibe, thats all I need is my vibe, and this main shaft, my vibe this main shaft and this os#8, thats all I need.......

Ok, how it happened for me was practice...... but how good do you want to be at it?
Try all suggestions, esp micro maniacs, thats basically what the kyosho, TT and other manuals show, fig 8s expanded, and all position squares....go on, become the next Scott Grey! .....

but it will(hopefully) just "come to you" like ridin a bike.

Then again, im sittin here drinkin beer, hoverin, and as I speak being yelled at myself.....DOH!
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09-13-2007 06:05 AM  12 years ago
rudderman

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[quote Best way to learn nose in is setting on your couch at home drinking some beer w/ the old lady in the room bitchin at you for drinking beer and flying that damn helicopter in the house . If you can learn to hover nose in w/ all that bs goin on you got it made .
LMAOF thats soooooooooo true
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09-15-2007 12:58 AM  12 years ago
futuramille

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Vid....practicing nose in using remote circles and as also suggested going straight out and flying straight back.

http://www.cindy4citycouncil.com/im...2387_output.wmv

...and orientation training on the ground with training gear. This is my 17yo learning. Smooth gym floors help allot with this..

http://www.cindy4citycouncil.com/images/Learning_FF.wmv


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