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02-12-2003 07:25 PM  15 years agoPost 1
Georg Dollinger

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I fly a Sceadu50 at the moment.
Im very happy with it.

I think whether I shall buy a FREYA for me.
Which Freya would I buy for F3C? the OP or EX or EXWC ?

Do you have a comparison also to the other versions?

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02-12-2003 10:08 PM  15 years agoPost 2
synodontis

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Freya EX WC - because that's what it's sole purpose is for.

Although you might want to think about changing the SSR-VI head slightly. Or alternatively wait until the this years World Championships is over because there should be a new version with updated head since the present SSR-VI head has problems in heavy winds.

I respect Hirobo very much for STICKING TO MECHANICAL MIXING.

SKS

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02-13-2003 07:12 AM  15 years agoPost 3
vfastr6

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Tanaka from the Hirobo Factory flys a stock Freya with the OS 91 C-spec engine.

No other modes at all except the dampeners........ Now ask why you would want to spend any more money...

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02-13-2003 09:51 AM  15 years agoPost 4
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I'm not at all surprised. But I assumed that the question was directed at asking for a Contest Grade machine. Freya EX WC is a contest grade machine. Normal Freya is not and there is a noticable difference in flight characteristics.

If you want a machine to PRACTICE F3C then a normal Freya will do.

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02-13-2003 09:54 AM  15 years agoPost 5
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All variaments of Freya could be set up as F3C machine and flies very good. I think the most important is your budget, how much time you could spend on building and taking care of your machine, and your skills. Truly, a EXWC would NOT make you fly much better, if your skill is not up to the level you would be wasting your money for a better machine. My advice to someone who want to progress to F3C and have the money to spend would be instead of getting a fully loaded EXWC why not use the money and buy two plastic Freya so just in case something bad happen to one there is always another machine. Yes the OP head on the Freya sure gives more precision, but it more expensive on repairs, and if your skills is not yet up to the level its money wasted.

Once when I was in Japan for the Hirobo Cup Grand Final, I saw two flyers who share to fly a box stock Sceadu 50 beat the lowest score pilot who flies a EXWC by well over 100 points....This is a little bit to the extreme, but it shows its the skill of the pilot that count, not the machine...

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02-13-2003 03:22 PM  15 years agoPost 6
Georg Dollinger

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Thank´s for all of your post´s

It help´s !

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02-13-2003 04:08 PM  15 years agoPost 7
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Jason and I have had this discussion a few times in the past as I fly both the standard Freya and the Freya EX. I'm not a seasoned veteran like Jason, but I have spent many hours hovering in the box. The high end Hirobo machines are capable of winning world championships, the down sides are cost and complexities in getting the setup right. In my opinion, if both are setup by an average modeler, the standard Freya will hover better. I have found it very difficult to setup the EX to hover the way a standard Freya can. As far as full aerobatics go, there is a quality in the EX, it's stability and smoothness which are not matched with a standard Freya. In the end the hovering is the harder part of the equation and you might be better off with 2 regular Freya's and 20 cases of fuel to practice with.

Richard.

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02-13-2003 05:59 PM  15 years agoPost 8
Georg Dollinger

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@Richard:

What makes this great difference?
Is it the metal head of the EX WC?

Or simple the softer plastic material of the normal Freya?

At my Sceadu I have the SZ-IV metal head and other tuning parts in metal.
The precision became much better, the reactions clear ,it had only good effects.
But I have also seen your discussion about the metal head from the EX-WC.
This shall not be very good

Georg

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02-13-2003 06:34 PM  15 years agoPost 9
richardf

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Georg
My experience is with the Freya EX and the SSR-V head. I have burned a lot of fuel with this helicopter and have serious likes and dislikes about this system. I would love to have Hashimoto's mechanic do the setup on this system to see how it would do. I've heard that Hashimoto has the fastest hands, so he can use all the potential. The SSR-V is a very precise head system as far as the movements applied at the stick that will translated to movement faster than a FFZ-II head. The way the SSR-V is affected by wind in the slow piros will make for lots of work for us mortals. I fly 3 miles from La Jolla California and the winds get real bad at times, this is where the plastic head is more stable and forgiving. These are my results and should be taken as one mans view, if I were better at setup and analysis, perhaps I would have another answer to give. I will say that using the metal yoke on a standard Freya, or flying a Freya X-Spec gives a very strong showing in the hover and aerobatics.

Richard.

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02-14-2003 01:27 PM  15 years agoPost 10
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That's a very important point you made, Richard. Naturally I would agree with Jason's comments, but I was only answering a question on the assumption that Georg was asking for a contest grade machine. Contest grade machines doesn't make one a better flier - no more than owning a book written by one of the greatest mathematicians in the world make one a better mathematician.

As for the stock Freya the one thing I would definitely change would be the collective to push-pull, and then maybe a one piece engine mount and the WC fan hub since I hate collets.

SKS

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02-14-2003 01:36 PM  15 years agoPost 11
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Another thing to think about....

Since the release of the contest grade Freya's, the limelight is beginning to dim (a bit) on their previous flagship product the Eagle 2EX.

In recent months, prices for good condition Eagle2s have started to really fall to the realm of almost affordable. I've even seen 99WCs go for sub 1k prices since established contest fliers would want to keep their fleet current.

I'm waiting for the prices to go down just a wee bit more and I'll probably add a good condition 99WC to the fleet. Then I'll probably upgrade it to use a split gear.

It's the Caliber that seems to be holding it's price.

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