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08-05-2007 05:22 AM  13 years ago
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grock

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Raptor 60 or Raptor 50 SE ?
Hey,
I want to buy another heli, and I'm looking at a raptor.
I can buy 2 used helis at some great prices, this are the deals:

1. Raptor 60 with OS 70 and TT70, Full aluminum head,Carbon Blades,Carbon Fins and lots of parts - for 370$. I saw the heli in action and it's flying pretty good..

2. Raptor 50 SE with OS 50 Hyper, carbon blades,carbon fins and lots of parts for 420$.

The raptor 60 is pretty old.. but in good shape. the 50se is almost new.

I'm flying a 50 size heli(Evo 50,Best heli) and I want something quick and responsive for getting 'crazy' with it.
I've wanted the Fury 60 but it's too expensive. Also, I don't want a 90 at this stage.

Please let me know what should I do.. what is the best for my needs.
I'm going to put the same electronics on whatever raptor I'll buy -
Futaba GY401 + 9253, S9451 all around.

Thanks,
Gil.
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08-05-2007 06:06 AM  13 years ago
JAGNZ

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50SE all the way. Crash costs are much lower and the power to weight is better than the 60 as well. I just got back from hammering my 50 today and I'm still grinning. I just love the cheap, quick 50's for their 'fun factor'. You can fling them around and if you stack it, they are cheap to fix. Just look at the prices for blades on that 60! It will add around USD$40 to any crash just due to the blade cost.

HTH

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08-05-2007 02:43 PM  13 years ago
BJames111

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stay away from the 60 size. It's an outdated size. In 3D, it's all about power to weight. the 60 has a lot of weight, and not a lot of power. When heli's first started becoming popular .28's and .30's were the norm, then they started putting larger and larger engines until the .50 class was born. A similar thing happend with .60's, and now we have two modern classes. 50, and 90.
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08-05-2007 02:43 PM  13 years ago
helical

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On the other hand the 60's and up have a larger presence in the air that also brings a smile to the face...not to mention the increased blade noise (which is pleasing to the ears). I have a raptor with OS70 and although it's not the most powerful heli it still is a blast to fly.
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08-05-2007 02:45 PM  13 years ago
RobRoy

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I vote for the Raptor 50, the SE needs very little upgrades to fly it's best. ON the other hand, if you choose the 60, I sugest upgrading to a 90, the 60 will feel aneminc compared to a 50 in the power departement until then.Ignorance is curable, stupidity is for life.
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08-05-2007 07:32 PM  13 years ago
bmw

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I've wanted the Fury 60 but it's too expensive. Also, I don't want a 90 at this stage.
It sounds like at some point you are going to go for a 90, the up grade from a 60 to a 90 is easy IMO

and I think for $370 getting a 60 with a O.S.70 and a TT70 and Full aluminum head,Carbon Blades,Carbon Fins and lots of parts, is a great deal IMO

If you don't buy it I will only thing is I'm not in Israel
Runway? what runway??
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08-05-2007 09:43 PM  13 years ago
grock

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Just the shipment will cost you like a new kit actually, the shipment will be like 70$ EMS.

I can just pick it up, as Israel is a small country.

I have a 50, and I want another 50 that will be quick that I can go crazy with. I don't want the 90 because I don't have much money to spend after a crash.. and the fuel.......

so the 50 will be the choice, but the question is what 50 ? I know I'm in the TT forum, but I need your real opinion to choose a quick heli. 50 size.
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08-05-2007 09:47 PM  13 years ago
JAGNZ

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Well either take the deal on the 50SE or get a 600N, there are only really 2 choices now IMO...
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08-05-2007 09:51 PM  13 years ago
grock

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I heard some bad thing about the 600N. It flys good, when it flys. weak frame and low quality parts.
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08-05-2007 09:57 PM  13 years ago
JAGNZ

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Hmmm, not sure about that. Do some more research and see the thread here:
http://www.runryder.com/t364406p1/

The odd issue sure wouldn't stop me getting as 600N!! Hey the Raptor still has issues that TT should have addressed 10 years ago...I know, I fly them.

Besides, the 600N might just be the only 50 that is cheaper to crash than the Raptor...

Jason Greenwood

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08-05-2007 10:13 PM  13 years ago
grock

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Well, I wanna add another heli to my fleet(Evo50,Shuttle RG).
I have some competitors: Raptor 50 SE or Titan,Knight 3D,Trex600(no parts available now in Israel, so..),Raven 50.
Vibe 50 will be nice too when It will get out.

What is the best heli for my needs ?

Thanks,
Gil.
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08-05-2007 10:19 PM  13 years ago
Ben-T-Spindle

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I would suggest that you purchase the 60. Learn to fly it well with the OS70. The OS70 has very good power and is more fuel efficient than the 90.

After you get real good with the OS70 you can easily upgrade to a 90 if you like.

It’s really a choice of what size helicopter do you want to fly. Larger helicopters definitely cost more to keep flying.

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08-05-2007 10:20 PM  13 years ago
JAGNZ

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Ok, here are my opinions but remember I am biased as I have only flown the Rappies:

Raptor 50SE or Titan
Easy here, get the SE, the SE has the metal head already. With the Titan you'll have to upgrade to get the metal head - the Kasama is the best option here but for that money you could get a 600N and it comes with a metal head! Plus the Titan only really allows you to run longer (non-standard) 620MM blades which add very little benefit (except in autos) IMO.

Knight 3D
Nice looking cheap heli but parts support is dubious. I would choose the 600N first as their parts support is better and you usually get 2 for 1 parts in a set.

Trex600(no parts available now in Israel, so..)
Yeah but that won't last for long! Align Parts support is now nearly as good as the Raptor and growing every day.

Raven 50
Oh man, this is a very old bird and I see NO advantage to getting one over other 50's on the market.

Vibe 50 will be nice too when It will get out
Maybe but how do we know for sure? Plus, have you seen JR's spares and kit prices recently?? You say there are no parts around for the 600N, is your local JR distributor any better? In general, JR parts are VERY hard to get for most people. Maybe it's different in Israel.

IMO, it comes down to Rappie or 600N in the 50 class now....

Jason Greenwood

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08-05-2007 10:49 PM  13 years ago
grock

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JAGNZ - Thanks for the nice reply.
We have some JR supplier in Israel. Also, I found out 2 suppliers for the 600N. for the Raptor 50, I can find any part I want here.. and good prices..

so Raptor 50SE vs T-Rex 600N Standard.. or maybe another Evo 50 ?

I think I will go for the raptor, as the 600N still a new kit.. maybe the 600N V2 will be more smart to buy.
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08-05-2007 10:53 PM  13 years ago
JAGNZ

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You're welcome. You are making a good choice in the Raptor.
Jason Greenwood

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08-05-2007 10:57 PM  13 years ago
grock

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It’s really a choice of what size helicopter do you want to fly. Larger helicopters definitely cost more to keep flying
I don't care about the physical size. Just want something quick and responsive. Electric in not an option right now. so, like you guys said - 50 or 90.. then 50 it is. the question is which ? right now, the Raptor is in my mind. Just hope it has some quick cyclic and a nice pitch range.
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08-05-2007 11:03 PM  13 years ago
JAGNZ

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With some frame grinding of the pitch slot you can get +-10.5 on the Rappie. With the GForce mixing levers you can get even more. Put some green paddles on it and the cyclics will be plenty fast. Then just go fly and have fun!
Jason Greenwood

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08-06-2007 10:47 AM  13 years ago
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OK, so I'm collecting some details on the 50SE.
Should I upgrade something from the stock kit ? I mean only critical upgrades.. something that usually fails during flight(like the tail in raptor 30v1)..

Thanks.
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08-06-2007 11:40 AM  13 years ago
JAGNZ

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Yes, it needs the PV0499 tail hub. Other than that, go fly it like you stole it.
Jason Greenwood

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08-11-2007 07:25 PM  13 years ago
deepdiver8055

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This is all based on personal preference.
When you go and buy a new computer, usually the first thing out the a sales rep will be: "What Do You Want To Use It For"

Same thing with heli's... "What do you want to do with it?"

The 30's were good and were setting the pace as a temporary "Lab" test. Then there came the 50's more power to weight ratio yes but a "Belt Drive", NO!. They are fine and fun to fly but the thing I don't like are those belt drives when it comes time to auto... direct drive tail assures I have total control of a tail like a real heli. You don't see a belt drive system on real ones do why mess around with something like this in a model? nope!.

Now there are the 60's and 90's.
First of all, ANY RC aircraft flies better and more realistic the larger they are... yes parts are more but if you want to 3D with a 60 then expect to spend more too. I would personally 3D with 50 class for this reason. Now a 60 on up is the way to go if you want to fly scale... Hands Down! They are more forgiving, look better, sound better and fly better if your flying "Scale" like a normal helicopter and realistically.

If I want to fly aerobatics then I'll load up my 40% Edge540 but if I want to fly a Heli then I fly scale and at least a 60 size for this reason. Again though... belt drives in either type of flying is totally weird... it's another way for companies to make more money and a belt causes a lot of probs most are afraid to admit.

Alan Szabo took belt systems on several of his heli's and converted them to Direct Drives... now that should tell you something considering how he flies and made a 60v2 fly like it was on crack!.
If TT came out with a 50 class with a direct drive then they would make a lot of people happy, at least I haven't seen one yet from TT.

Again just personal prefs here people... when it all comes down to it, every chopper flies good if they are set up right according to your style and are taken care of. Check and recheck everything before every flight and you'll have your style of chopper for a long time and the cost either way will be limited but thats all up to you.
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