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08-05-2007 05:17 AM  13 years ago
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Bryguy17

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tail belt lubes
whats up guys

ive been meaning to get around to lubing the tail belt on my SA, but havnt found the right stuff to use. in my toolbox, i found a tube of DOW33 that i use for paintball guns. its a silicone based lube that comes in a paste. will this work? or will its grease-like properties just end up making a huge mess? also, will tri-flow work? or will it eat the belt?

thanks for any answers that people can give me

cheers
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08-05-2007 05:28 AM  13 years ago
turboomni

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I don't use any lube and my hair shines like you wouldn't believe

Dont use no lube on the belt
Setup is everything, All my heli's can fly far better than I can pilot them
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08-05-2007 05:32 AM  13 years ago
ShellDude

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I've used tri-flow on my tail for 2+ years without any problems.~~OCHC~~
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08-05-2007 05:35 AM  13 years ago
Bryguy17

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what do you think about using the DOW33? its used a lot for o-ring/metal lubing and does a pretty good job of itSLO Flyers
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08-05-2007 05:39 AM  13 years ago
turboomni

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Ive used no lube for 2 years with no problemsSetup is everything, All my heli's can fly far better than I can pilot them
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08-05-2007 11:37 AM  13 years ago
TomRex

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I tried no lube then my batts got hot, esc got hot, dust was everywhere. Since I started lube, batts have longer shelf life, esc is cool and no dust along with being very quiet. Dielectric Grease is what it says. I believe the conductivity of this stuff eliviates any static build up. Belt has no ware. 2 yrs and counting. I don't think the spray stuff has good residual value.

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08-05-2007 12:24 PM  13 years ago
DJDAZ

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Silicone Spray works a treat! Put it on your main gear too.
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08-05-2007 09:25 PM  13 years ago
Bryguy17

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just spread some of the DOW33 on there and it seems to work quite well. i could feel it loosen up a little as it got spread out on the belt. maybe ill try the tri flow next time i need to relubeSLO Flyers
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08-06-2007 02:36 AM  13 years ago
Billy Boy

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Im on my 326th flight on this belt and I use the silicone spray. Before I started the Silcone spray I had alot of belt problems, fraying on the edges, dust everywhere. Trex 450 SE I recomend the silcone spray I got it at the local WallMart 1.70 a can.

Bill
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08-06-2007 03:11 AM  13 years ago
FOX222

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turboomni,
Try the lube one time and you will see why allot of people have started using it. Even with a good setup on the belt spin the blades by hand and you might get 2-3 turns. After I put Triflow on the belt I get about 6-8 turns.
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08-06-2007 04:21 AM  13 years ago
turboomni

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I may! I had fraying troubles with a stock belt at first but went to a HKS belt and run it loose with no problems. But I'm not saying your wrong and it does make sense!Setup is everything, All my heli's can fly far better than I can pilot them
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08-06-2007 08:01 AM  13 years ago
OICU812

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try simply running a quality belt like a tech mp one by Gates. No need for lube on a belt, ever....Once upon a time there were Nitros, flybars and frequency pins...
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08-06-2007 02:49 PM  13 years ago
Boidman (RIP)

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Some folks are extremely skilled and experienced, or just plain lucky, repeatedly.

I can demonstrate static as generated by the belt, after removing the outside goodies on the head and tail shafts and then powering up. Light and thin tissue paper or plastic film can be made to show quite clearly the effects of a charged surface such as the boom. My horseplay gets the most obvious results starting at around 70 degrees F and 20% humidity. The lower the humidity, the greater the temperature range where the example can be done simply and obviously.

I know a good wire routing job when I do or see one, and know too when there is an increased chance for problems from poor wiring. All the SE's I have built have continuity from the tailcase to the boom, through the boom clamp and each component of and attached to the frames.

Using any of three different belts, and a range of tensions from on the tight side, to loose, I can show static and negative results, every time.

The graphite or silicone type compounds that dry out quickly after applying, seem to create no problems like when other types collect grit during use.

One can watch the static charge dissipate while the belt continues to spin at operating speeds, after applying almost anything to the little bastard.

I have prepared a visually correct SE, using a Spektrum AR7000, and caused it to go into failsafe due to static. Most would say, "impossible", but they would be wrong.

On a near (as is reasonable) ideally prepared SE, a useful improvement can be seen in the ability to autorotate, by applying almost anything to the belt. No matter how skilled and experienced the operator, any improvement can mean a difference in the outcome, when something unexpected happens during the last 20 feet. A slightly less significant result is the easily measureable reduction in power consumption, when lube is added to the belt of what most any would accept as a well prepared helicopter.

There will always be value in adding lube to any belt that was designed to last a useful length of time, while being forced to zip around pulleys as small as Align uses, always.
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08-06-2007 03:59 PM  13 years ago
turboomni

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Static
I have never had a problem with glitching at all with 2 Trex's I have owned. I have run PPM NOT Pcm with no problems on both. Once with a Hytec Electron 6 FM RX. I don't lube the belt and fly from hot humid summers to mid 20 degree low humidity winter weather also. I am not an expert but one thing that maybe on my side in this situation is I run a Plastic tail. Do you think a metal tail adds to the problem as static through can discharge through the tail into the boom to the heli frame? I now fly a 450S carbon frame TREX with an Airtronics FM RX and no lube or problems and good belt life.
Setup is everything, All my heli's can fly far better than I can pilot them
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08-06-2007 05:26 PM  13 years ago
jhamlinjr

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Tech Models Gates belt with pure silicon spray every ten flights. Never looked back. Never hve had glitches and this is my first rc anything.
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08-07-2007 06:13 AM  13 years ago
Flyupsidedown

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Ive been using the heavy duty CRC silicone spray, seems like it runs alot smoother and no more blue dust, i put it on the belt, and all the blue gears each night before flying, Got 30 flights on it and was doing a preflight tonight, and found several teeth missing on the belt, looks like every other one for a area, and every other 3rd one, though out the entire belt. this is the stock belt on a SE V1. i got a mav belt from heliproz, will be putting it on and give it a try i guess....money cant buy me love so im goin racin!!!!!!
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08-07-2007 06:15 AM  13 years ago
helibird

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Been using Gunk Liquid Wrench Silicone spray for 130+ flights now with no problems. Does make a big difference in how it flies. I just spray it on the rear gear at the beginning of each flying session (4 flights usually).
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08-07-2007 11:32 AM  13 years ago
TomRex

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I've shod a few teeth when hitting the thick grass before, carefull.
I'm glad to see that silicon has a good influence on this crowd!
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08-07-2007 07:38 PM  13 years ago
dpcarey

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- 210 flights now with no lube to the belt (stock Align) or gears. Neither show any significant sign of wear under magnification.

This is not to say "don`t use belt lube". However, it does tend to prove that lube is not necessary for longetivity and good flight characteristics.

Dave
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08-08-2007 04:43 AM  13 years ago
FOX222

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210 flights now with no lube to the belt (stock Align) or gears. Neither show any significant sign of wear under magnification.

This is not to say "don`t use belt lube". However, it does tend to prove that lube is not necessary for longetivity and good flight characteristics.

Dave
Yes, I did not use any lube for the first 100 flights or so and had no problems either. But after I tried the lube things spin allot more freely, so now I put a little triflow on about every 10-20 flight and will from now on.
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