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08-05-2007 12:50 PM  13 years ago
caleb reed

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Any of you guys using a dial gauge to dial in the fan?
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08-05-2007 02:49 PM  13 years ago
BJames111

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Have you ever dated a girl that was really good in bed, but you knew you weren't going to marry her?
that's hilarious.

On some heli's you just have to stop, take a second, and realize that you are a "modeler" and fix what is wrong. If that means keeping a great heli flying by buying a few more parts, so what.
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08-05-2007 04:09 PM  13 years ago
03fomoco

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I am waiting, NOT!!!
Just buy it. Look at the post count for failures and then take a guess at how many are flying. You are only reading about the bad. I have both the pro and sport. I blew a magnet out of my sport and replaced it with a 3DX fan no problems since. Sure 13g's more but I am not godd enough to tell. I can tell you the plastic fan on my Pro is flimsy but it is a different plastic than my sport, seems less flexible. Also I hosed the bearing cage in my one way and can see where the plastic retainer is broken. Guess what no parts right now so I put it back together and it locked up first flight and now it has 10 more on it. It still auto's better than my previous belt heli. The pro no issues yet. Don't wait just buy it fly and say #$%^ it. Neither of these issues will cause you to hit the ground. One guy managed to get the magnet in the engine. If this happens to you go and buy a lottery ticket.

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08-05-2007 04:50 PM  13 years ago
rcmike

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Just make sure u crush the magnet with pliers into the hole so its sits flush if not drill the hole slightley and it works a treat.
That is what I did and the magnet is still in there. I put a drop of CA in and squeezed the magnet in as hard as I could without crushing the fan. I doubt it is going anywhere.

I did have the one way locking up issue but I bought an upgrade one from HeliDirect and it is working fine now. For $3.80 to fix I can't complain. This heli flies every bit as good as my Raptor 90 if not better.
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08-05-2007 09:30 PM  13 years ago
dannyh5

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I don't think any of the problems are major. When I had my synergy and had to be careful not to snap the skids before take off, or had to worry about a tail grip flying off, they were problems.
The fact is the problems with the t-rex are all fixable, change grease on bearing, don’t over tighten the fan and coat the magnets is ca or epoxy the magnet will still work. None of the problems will cause a crash
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08-06-2007 06:07 AM  13 years ago
captrlp

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Most of the fan issues have been the result of not properly positioning the fan mount assembly. It is critical to "dry run" the fan to ensure its not hitting the shroud.
The failure rates on the one-ways has been low. Take the time to wipe it dry and load it with Tri-Flow.
Absolutely no reason to wait. The majority of this machine has been on the market for well over a year, in the form of the electric.
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08-06-2007 07:47 AM  13 years ago
MJWS

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Just wait. Leave em for those that want them.

There isn't an issue on this thing any different than any other bird. There is no such thing as perfection. The fan flexes. So give it as much room as you can and keep the sensor clear. Non issue. Us guinea pigs have got it sorted for ya.

The pro autos as well or better than most 50's even with the oneway seized. So just fly it. When they fix it swap it out. Mine went 3 gallons on ATF and the initial build. Onto the lithium grease for a shot now. 1 gallon so far so good. Boca sells a drop in bearing that is better. There is a guy selling a hub with a different different bearing. Lots of good answers.

Or wait. It's not like many can out fly any of the decent 50's out there. But it will put a smile on your face when you fly it. For my money it's one of the nicest on the bench as well.

Mike
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11-15-2007 12:28 AM  12 years ago
bowies12

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Its Not a good idea to fly with a locked up one way bearing.

If you auto, the main blades turn the main gear which turns the clutch bell. Now if the bell is spinning at a good rate this implies the clutch will be engaged and also spinning therefor turning the engine. Not good in an auto as blade speed will drop quickly if having to drive the engine also.

If you are lucky and high enough the reduced blade speed and therfore reduced clutch speed might slow enough to disengage the clutch therefore engine not being driven anymore and blades can speed up again.

If you had a draggy clutch to begin with, then it would probably stay engaged throughout.

Very occasionly it is absolutly necessary to perform an emergency Auto!
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11-15-2007 01:00 AM  12 years ago
bfeils

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Actually the clutch bell won't spin the clutch, it's the other way around. the motor has to be spinning quicky to engage the clutch bell. Once the motor is slowed the clutch disengages and the bell continues to spin freely under the inertia of the blades.
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11-15-2007 01:02 AM  12 years ago
MasterCrasher

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I'm not waiting, mine should be here tomorrow or Friday at the latest. Bottom line is if your looking for the perfect heli that never needs parts thrown at it then you better look for a different hobby.
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11-15-2007 01:02 AM  12 years ago
Way2slow

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It's always the same. One or two people can have a problem, post it on the internet and the next thing you know, every thing that company ever made has that same problem. Doesn't matter that was one or two out of a million. It's absolutely impossible for any product to be 100% perfect.

Look at the CF blade issue. Even today you get on some sites and they make it sound like every pair of H60115 CF blades are dangerous to run, and one dealer on the internet is telling everybody not to use them. They don't mention the fact that was only the JF blades and then only a couple of pair of them were ever found to be bad, or that Align pulled all the JF blades and sent JG/JH blades to replace them to get them off the market. Nope, can't post no postive feedback, always got the go for the negative.
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11-15-2007 01:08 AM  12 years ago
AeroSports

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I have been enjoying mine since the release. keep waiting all you want.

it may not be perfect, but it is the best you can you can buy.
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11-15-2007 01:44 AM  12 years ago
RonHill

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Nathan
I am not buying until Align fixes the one way problem and addresses the fan issue. Any one else holding off?
I used the stock fan since the kit came out. I just moved the sensor out so it would not get eaten. I just rebuilt my Hyper due to the bearings and put the Aluminum fan in just since the engine was already out...I would never have gone to the trouble to take the engine out to change the fan alone.

The one way....Well, I have the new upgraded one and it seems to be fine right now.
Why start out knowing that there is a good possibility the one way is going to lock up?
Because it is not really a big deal if it locks up.

But most kits have some issue:
Raptor: Tail and whoof and poof
EVO: Phasing block and the Freya had one way issues.
MA: The Fury had tail issues
Synergy: The tail blades can fly off.
Aurora: Doesn't exist

bowies12
Its Not a good idea to fly with a locked up one way bearing.

If you auto, the main blades turn the main gear which turns the clutch bell.
I did inverted autos at the end of every flight with a locked up one way for weeks....It still autoed fine even though I could tell the difference.
Now if the bell is spinning at a good rate this implies the clutch will be engaged and also spinning therefor turning the engine. Not good in an auto as blade speed will drop quickly if having to drive the engine also.
The bell can spin as fast as it wants, the clutch will never engage due to a spinning bell. When the clutch spins the arms fold out due to centripetal force and when they move out far enough they engage the lining in the clutch bell and friction makes the clutch bell and the main rotor turn. The clutch has to spin for the arms to fold out, spinning the bell will do nothing at all to make the clutch spin.
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11-15-2007 02:24 AM  12 years ago
Shawn Behrens

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So Nathan what kind of car do you drive? Or are you waiting for automotive technology to be perfected? Seriously though you are missing out a good and relatively cheap heli by following the perfect product logic. FWIW my kit has not had any of the problems you mentioned.
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11-15-2007 02:35 AM  12 years ago
fiveoboy01

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Look at the CF blade issue. Even today you get on some sites and they make it sound like every pair of H60115 CF blades are dangerous to run, and one dealer on the internet is telling everybody not to use them. They don't mention the fact that was only the JF blades and then only a couple of pair of them were ever found to be bad, or that Align pulled all the JF blades and sent JG/JH blades to replace them to get them off the market. Nope, can't post no postive feedback, always got the go for the negative.
First off, it's the FG series of blades that were recalled.

Second, I had a pair of fiberglass FG series blades throw a weight, about 3 weeks ago. get your facts straight.

There's a BIG difference between a one-way locked up or a fan flexing versus a blade design that might kill someone. Something like that NEEDS to be made a big deal of.

The one way problem and the fan problem(which in my opinion is mostly a set-up problem by the user) are minor and easy/cheap to fix and don't present a huge safety hazard. Don't compare apples to oranges.

There is not a kit out there that doesn't benefit from an upgrade. It's the nature of the beast, no matter how well a manufacturer thinks something is designed, someone else will find a way to improve on it. I ordered mine and got the metal fan and metal grips along with it, and will keep the one-way maintaned to try and make it last as long as I can. If it goes out, then I'll replace it with an upgrade.
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11-15-2007 04:12 AM  12 years ago
whirlyspud

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bell spinning fast will drive the clutch? Now thats funny.

600 with about 10 gallons thru it. No issues.......yet.

Mike
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11-15-2007 06:12 AM  12 years ago
jay72

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600 went 6 gals before it locked up now i have the updated sleeve so far so good
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11-15-2007 09:58 AM  12 years ago
scottc

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My trex has had no problems, around 4 gallons on it, i changer out the clutch liner with the TT 1 , used different paddels and different tail blades thats all.
New cars and trucks have more problems then the trex. buy it build it and fly it.
Hey I didn't ask for this fetish.!!!But I'am sure paying for it....
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11-15-2007 01:22 PM  12 years ago
Azlum

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I guess you got your answer No one is waiting except you!!

I've had my 600n since a week after the release! Had a bunch of problems, my fan was warped, my oneway went bad(5 of them actually!), dampeners wore out really fast, etc... Guess what?? I dont care!! I love this heli and wouldnt trade it for any other!(except maybe an Aurora )

Btw... the new oneway that align is selling is fixed, no more problems. Plus there's many aftermarket solutions to solve the oneway problem.

So basically.... stop whining and buy a 600
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11-15-2007 04:26 PM  12 years ago
Cowjock

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I never knew that spinning the clutch bell fast would cause the clutch shoes to engage. Must be a REALLY BIG magnet in that clutch bell. Damn that ground is hard! When's the right time to get out of this money sucking hobby?
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