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08-04-2007 05:23 AM  13 years ago
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jonthefisherman

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A funny comparison on the Knight 3D and T-rex 600N in RCHELI
Im in the market for a 50 sized heli and basically know very little about helis in general. So I picked up the August issue of RC-Heli because it has two 50 size reviews in it. The conclusion I came up with is that this magazine favors the T-rex. It certainly seems popular.

When they go through the parts used on each heli they use pretty high end parts for the T-rex. They show exactly how much each part costs. Its obvious which heli has the nicer stuff.

Total cost for the T-Rex = $2515

Total cost for the KNight 3D= $1562

Scorecard average for t-rex excluding instructions rating = 22.5

Scorecard average for knight3D excluding instructions rating = 20.5

To make this comparison a little more even handed I excluded the instructions rating. The knight 50 is said to have poor instructions but with internet access you can find several good places for instructions.

Here is what the author didnt like about the Knight3D:
"Poorly translated instruction manual. Absence of stickers that matched the model (stickers must be cut to your own design)"
Here is what the author didnt like about the t-rex:
"Canopy grommets did not last long with exposure to fuel. Autorotation bearing seizes up. When flown aggressively the dampers wear out quickly."
Anyways, the articles were not written as a comparison but comparing the two reviews its pretty clear which heli is the best bang for the buck at least to me.
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08-04-2007 07:04 AM  13 years ago
3dwanabe

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The kit prices are close to being equal if you compare the Knight 50 3d and the T-Rex Nitro(belt drive tail version).

One of my friends asked me to fly his Knight 50 to check out his set-up. It was very smooth, stable and had no pitchiness at all in FFF. As much as I liked the Knight, it was heavier and the collective/cyclic response was no where near as quick and positive as my T-Rex.
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08-04-2007 08:00 AM  13 years ago
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Those review included the price of the transmitter as well which are probably the dx7 and the new jr9303x. That is why there is a big price difference.
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08-04-2007 12:34 PM  13 years ago
Jim-bob

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I think there is no question this review was a bit biased. The radio used in the Knight was a Futaba 6EX
In the T-Rex a JR9303on 2.4GHZ
Gyro in the Knight Futaba 401
Gyro in the T-Rex Futaba 611
No mention of a govenor in the Knight
Govenor in the t-Rex TJ Pro
We have both machines at our field and they are both excellent flying birds. They both weigh within an ounce or two of each other ready to fly. The collective responce with identical setups is the same. The cyclic responce is noticably quicker on my Knight but that is the way I like my setup. The Knight comes with the crapiest tail blades I have ever seen but I never use stock blades anyway. The canopy with the Knight is usable but some find it unatractive (me included)
Anyway I just don't see how you can rate birds in the air unless they have "close" to the same equip. My 2-cents
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08-04-2007 02:54 PM  13 years ago
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I wonder why they chose to put the lower end electronics on the Knight?I was Spektrum when Spektrum wasn't cool
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08-04-2007 06:34 PM  13 years ago
jonthefisherman

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I wonder why they chose to put the lower end electronics on the Knight?
Its hard to say especially since both reviews were by different authors. Compass probably doesnt have the advertising dollars Align has though and thats makes a difference when generating excitement in a product.
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08-04-2007 09:55 PM  13 years ago
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That's hit it on the head - different reviewers.
Different people have different opinions.
This would be why the use of different radios, etc. used.
Plus there is a review of the JR radio by the same person that did the Rex, so perhaps he was just lucky, or a more senior reviewer?
The only way to realistically compare would be to listen to the people that have flown both.
Steve.
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08-04-2007 10:42 PM  13 years ago
bigdad390

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It does not matter what magazine, whether it is a dirtbike mag, a gun mag or heli mag, the reviews are based on advertising contibutions not an actual unbiased review of the items.
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08-05-2007 12:33 AM  13 years ago
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Yeah but I still get a ton of great info from RCHelimag and the reviews seem as unbiased as possible. But I know how the real world works.I was Spektrum when Spektrum wasn't cool
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08-06-2007 02:29 AM  13 years ago
heli-cuzz

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I think there is no question this review was a bit biased
That would be the original post that is biased, not the mag.

You're comparing the scorecards for each heli. They're{RCHeli}not. The scorecards are ratings for each individual heli and what ever electronics are supplied.
I'm sure if they had 50 sized heli comparison fly-off with all the same electronics, the scorecards would differ even more.
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08-06-2007 03:23 AM  13 years ago
ez2bgman

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I'm sure if they had 50 sized heli comparison fly-off with all the same electronics, the scorecards would differ even more.
And how would the differ even more?
Gary
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08-06-2007 04:13 AM  13 years ago
heli-cuzz

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Because the Knight50 sucks

I don't know, I'm not the test pilot. Maybe they wouldn't differ at all. Who knows, until a 50 sized comparison test is done.

I don't care, I love flying helis no matter what the model may be.
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08-06-2007 04:27 AM  13 years ago
jonthefisherman

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Because the Knight50 sucks
Ive only read one or two people that didnt care for it or favored another heli over it. Go to the align forum and its riddled with bearing and other issues not to mention the sports frame sounds like a noodle.

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08-06-2007 04:36 AM  13 years ago
heli-cuzz

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I was only kidding about the Knight. I see all helis have problems in one area or another.
Is there a perfectly designed heli out there?
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08-06-2007 04:51 AM  13 years ago
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This magazine has had the same issues in the past in terms of the parity between configurations that it tests. I think it is a fairly new mag, and may not be getting much in the way of demos from manufacturers. It seems like they just pick example birds from people they know! Some of the setups they have had in their pages have been pretty funny in terms of the quality of the build. Hopefully the magazine will survive long enough to mature into a magazine that helps push the hobby forward.
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08-06-2007 04:59 AM  13 years ago
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Its the largest selling rcheli mag publication. They should have the $$$$$ to buy the good $hit.

And no, I don't work there, I just have subsription and I love the mag. Something to read.
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08-06-2007 05:29 AM  13 years ago
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I've read the mag and drools over both reviews but where was the comparison pages? My native tongue is not english so I must have miss something. Counted the pages seems all is there.

It is FUNNY that I can't find the comparison.
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08-06-2007 06:51 AM  13 years ago
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Guys, a few points.

First of all you're going to hear about more user issues on the Align machine because they've probably outsold the Knight machine 10 to 1. The Knight has been out for almost two years and there are 3800 posts about it on RR, the 600N's been out 4 months and there are 12000.

Getting gear, it is usually not too difficult for us to get high-end gear for use in reviews. RC Heli is the world's best selling RC helicopter publication.

Next, the two articles were written by two different authors, they never confired about each article during the writting. They were completely independent and had no bearing on eachother. The two articles were not intended as comparisons. Each review was 7 pages long and averaged about 2000 words apiece, but so many want look stricktly at the ratings rather than compare the articles as a whole. If there's something that was said about the Knight that you disagree with, discuss that. There's been a thread in the 600N forum for some time now about the article and just about everything's been covered. If there's something that needs discussing about the Knight review, let's discuss.

Lastly, gear. Again, these two articles were not intended as a shoot-out. Had they been we would have used identical gear in each machine. We outfitted each machine as the average purchaser of each machine would. Save the hate mail, I'm not sayint the average Knight 3D owner doesn't have the same amount of $$$ to spend outfitting his machine. However, IT'S MY OPINION that if cost is less of an object one might be more inclined to go with the more expensive 600N versus the Knight 3D based on a number of reasons. With that thinking in mind that same guy's "probably" going to be installing the more expensive 601 vs. 401, etc. I'm shaking my head on this one. Don't know if I'm doing a very fine job of explaining myself.

I WILL BE AT IRCHA ON FRIDAY, I would be more than glad to explain this last statement, or any statement I've made over the years, in person

MIke Velez
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08-06-2007 10:01 AM  13 years ago
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Well put Mike, I understand completely what you meant. BTW I really enjoy reading your magazine every month. Keep up the refreshing work.
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08-06-2007 12:54 PM  13 years ago
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