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08-03-2007 02:18 AM  13 years ago
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heli flying with tx mode one
does anybody fly mode one? if so what are the pros and cons for flying in mode one
input please
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08-03-2007 03:25 AM  13 years ago
JAGNZ

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Mode 1 is very common in NZ. I can see no 'Pro's' unless you used to fly planks on Mode 1. Most of the newer/younger pilots are now flying Mode 2 and I for one always recommend it. Cyclic on 1 stick just makes more sense for most people - hey, it's how full size have it!

Anyway, do what you like but I don't know of a single 3D Master that fly's Mode 1...but I may be missing someone.

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08-03-2007 06:23 AM  13 years ago
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I had flown Mode 1 for 25 years. I became an intermediate skill pilot, but never really exceled. However about 4 months ago, with much proding from Ray Nemovi, I switched to Mode 2. It seemed insurmountable at first, but I flew the sim a bunch and it started to click. Now, I can already fly much better than I could Mode 1 and will never look back. While some people could fly well no matter what configuration they fly, I think that Mode 2 is much better for heli's.

Now after all of these years, I can fly other peoples heli's and they can fly mine (maybe not a good thing!) I like the fact that I can now help people set up their heli's and teach the new guys to fly.

Thanks Ray for making me switch!

Best

Patrick
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08-03-2007 07:44 AM  13 years ago
Busher

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I fly mode 1 but at times I think that mode 2 would be a better bet. The cyclic on one stick seems to make sense and the chaos seems easier on mode 2 than made 1.

I am toying on whether to change but i think it would be safer to stick on mode 1 as I seem to revert back to mode 1 when it all goes wrong. I don't know whether I would be comfortable for a few years until I really got the hang of things

I think there are a lot of 3d pilots in the world that fly mode 1 but in general mode 2 is the prefered stick mode and the one I would recommend if your starting off.

Busher
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08-03-2007 08:41 AM  13 years ago
Mojoe

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I fly mode 1 because that is how I started off when flying planks. With some practice on the sim I am now starting to do piroetting flips and I am confident that with a bit more practice that I will be able to do them consistently. I do feel that they would have been easier to learn on mode 2, however I feel learning on mode 1 forces you to learn more thoroughly, controlling the model all the way through the maneuver.

An advantage to mode 1 is that it prevents control interaction between the cyclics during flips, rolls and tictocs. Also, mode 1 makes it easier to do rolling circles because the left stick goes through a stirring motion similar to that of the cyclic stick during a mode 2 piroflip.

If I were starting again and looking to fly helis exclusively I would choose to fly mode 2, due to the advantage during piro maneuvers. If you have started learning on mode 1, or fly planks on mode 1 IMHO you should consider sticking with it. In the time it would take to switch modes you would already be well on your way to getting those piro tricks sorted out.
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08-03-2007 10:21 AM  13 years ago
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I am quite sure that Petr Novotny fly mode 1.
You can find a video at the 3dmasters weebsite.

http://www.fly3dx.com/video3dm2007.htm

It works for some people
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08-03-2007 10:40 AM  13 years ago
wouter

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I started flying planks in mode 1 and now fly heli's like that too.
It's not that hard, but pirouetting things, like piro-loops, chaos, etc are a real pain in the ass. With a lot of practise it should be
possible though.

Anyways, if you're starting out with heli's i would recommend mode 2.

(Flying mode 1 now, for 8 years, i feel like it's impossible to switch, it would take months of sim-time)
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08-03-2007 02:02 PM  13 years ago
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I will just have to keep practicing then, as I have found piro flips almost impossible to achieve even on the sim, and it dos'nt help when there are no mode 1 pilots in my area that can help show me the trick.

It is only mind over matter I don't mind and the heli dosn't matter.

Busher
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08-03-2007 06:18 PM  13 years ago
rcfreak7

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newb question
what is the diference in mode one and mode two
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08-03-2007 06:42 PM  13 years ago
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mode 1 has ail and throttle on right stick and elev and rudder on left stick.
mode 2 has ail and elev on right stick and throttle and rudder on left stick
mode 3 has ail and throttle on left stick and elev and rudder on right stick
mode 4 has ail and elev on left stick and rudder and throttle on right stick,

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08-03-2007 07:00 PM  13 years ago
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mode 3 has ail and throttle on left stick and elev and rudder on right stick
mode 4 has ail and elev on left stick and rudder and throttle on right stick,
Nope -- swap 3 & 4.

Mode 3 is the opposite of Mode 2, Mode 4 is the opposite of Mode 1. Having learned RC in Mode 3, I've had to swap the sticks in every tx I've ever had.

If possible, learn in Mode 2 and then stick with it -- it's what +90% of heli fliers use. Mode 3 is the logical alternative choice because it also has the cyclic controls on one stick.

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08-03-2007 07:40 PM  13 years ago
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All members of the Japanese team at the Worlds fly mode one if I'm not mistaken.

I trained on mode 2 and hence will stay that way, but is shouldn't be too difficult to move over.
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08-03-2007 07:42 PM  13 years ago
GimbalFan (RIP)

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shouldn't be too difficult to move over.
Younger pilots can change modes far easier than us old farts. Muscle memories aren't burned into the synaptic network as deeply nor as permanently amongst the young.

I've tried Mode 2 on the sim and (with helis anyway) it's harder for me to fly clean on it than it was to initially learn RC in the first place. It's easier for us
old farts to just swap the tx stick functions than to risk destroying our fleets.
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08-03-2007 07:47 PM  13 years ago
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it seams it would be more natural to have the cyclic on one stick..

Jim
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08-03-2007 08:15 PM  13 years ago
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thanks
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08-03-2007 08:19 PM  13 years ago
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I grew up flying planks on mode one. Those of us who started on gliders naturally started with mode 1. I flew planks on mode 2 for a few months many years later and crashed one day doing inverted 8s. I changed back to mode 1 and was much happier.

When I started flying helis I was advised to change to mode 2. I did some sim pratice on mode 2 and did the first flight on mode 2. Everything felt wrong so I sat next to the taxiway and changed my Tx back to mode 1. That was 6 years ago and I still fly planks and helis on mode 1. I would rather have everything lined up in the same direction between the ears. I believe many in Hong Kong fly in mode 1. Fly what suits you - you have to have full control of both sticks anyway. As outlined above, some manouvres are easier in mode 1 and some are easier in mode 2. Safety first!
Rob.
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08-03-2007 08:36 PM  13 years ago
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I am with gimbal fan i'm an old fart and long may it saty that way.

I will just have to get used to being the odd one out at my flying field

Busher
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08-04-2007 12:43 AM  13 years ago
ez2bgman

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I learned in mode 2 and that is what I am comfortable with. I think with enough sim time I could get used to mode 3 as well. I think the sticks on your transmitter should mimic real life helis/planks as close as possible. Full size helis/planks have the aileron/elevator on one stick or yoke.Gary
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08-04-2007 04:41 PM  13 years ago
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for me and our rc community are more reliable to use mode 2,especially in flying heli.
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08-04-2007 11:07 PM  13 years ago
alfred

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The normal rubbish.
If you live in the USA fly mode2.
If you live in Australia/Germany/Japan etc, fly mode1.
We have World champions and 3D Masters in both modes. Go with your clubs/countries or personal preferences, what ever that might be.
This argument is a hundred years old and will go on forever.
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