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07-31-2007 02:33 AM  13 years ago
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Dr. Fibinotchi

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high def confusion
I started reading about high def camcorders this week. Looking to get one for soccer games of the little guy and trips. I came across two that look pretty good.

Sony HDR-SR7 with a 60 gig hard drive.
Panasonic HDC-SD1 which can use a 8gig card to record.

The sony I belive is a 1ccd but a larger ccd sensor. The panasonic is a 3ccd. The sony has is 2.28 million effective pixels. The panasonic has 1.56 million for video.

Why do they use the term 24p and how does it relate to 1080 resolution. I understand 1080P and 1080I.

Low light which would work better and why?

Both of these are 1080i, but why does the sony have a larger effective pixel displayed?

The sony looks to be the better one, but I wondered if anyone can comment on the two from what they have read or if they have used them. If there is others in this price range I would like to hear about them.

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07-31-2007 02:46 AM  13 years ago
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24P means 24 frames per second which looks more like film, video is usually 30 fpskeepin' it real
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07-31-2007 03:33 AM  13 years ago
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Well, actually that's not quite true.

24P means 24 frames per second, but the P is for progressive. This means that the image in 24p is a full scan of the image (like a single frame of film) rather than two interlaced half scans of the same image. What I mean by half scan is that there are odd fields and even fields and both of those fields are interlaced to create a full frame in motion.

Typically a progressive scan delivers a more "film-like" image even when it is 30 fps progressive, although 24 gives more of the actual motion look of film.

Usually, standard video at 30 fps interlaced is actually 60i which means there are 60 half scans per second to create 30 full moving frames.

Both of those camcorders are pretty nice, but I personally prefer memory cards over an internal HD. The HD will tend to create more heat and is prone to possible damage compared to SD cards.

Traditionally 3CCD camera have been much better at color rendition, but with Sony's single CMOS sensors, they have done pretty well.

I suggest you try out both if you can to see which one works better for you personally. Sometimes what looks better on paper doesn't stand-up under real world conditions.

Hope this helps!

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07-31-2007 04:21 AM  13 years ago
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I owned an HC-1 and HC-3 before owning the SD1. I also had a Canon HV10 for a short time. My favorite is the SD1. It's much lighter and I really dig 3CCD cameras.

The Sony will have much better low light performance though being a single CMOS sensor.

24P gives a more film like look, but I've found that with alot of motion 24P is "hard" to watch due to slurring.

It's hard to beat the SD1 and the new SD3 outputs true 1920/1080i.

Looking at the SD1 on my 50" 1080P LCD through my Playstation 3 is soooo nice looking!

Downside to the SD1? hard to work with the native .mts files.
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07-31-2007 05:27 PM  13 years ago
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I'm checking out these camcorders too
I'm currently evaluating a canon HV20. It is in the same family as the ones you are looking at. It has a CMOS chip. I am very impressed with it (the picture/colors are amazing), but will try the other brands as well. It uses DV mini-cassettes. I'll be getting some aerial video this weekend with it and then decide if it's a keeper. It can record to mini SD card to.
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08-01-2007 02:47 AM  13 years ago
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hmm
I read a pretty large amount of customer feedback for that camera as well. From what others had said it has a pretty good picture, but had a cheap feel. I need to do more looking into this as well.

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08-01-2007 03:22 AM  13 years ago
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I have a Sony FX1 (tape based) and a Pany SD1.

Pany SD1
Pros: Light, cheap, ok image quality. Good for aerial vid for it's simplicity and weight.

Cons: AVCHD format is cumbersome, at best. In theory, it should speed up your workflow, but it doesn't, as you have to convert all the files to either Cineform or MPEG2. The image quality is very poor in bright whites, leaving a green hue, it's motion signature is also a bit choppy and not that desirable. No viewfinder, only LCD screen, which is cumbersome for manual focus, or bright light conditions.

In my opinion, I would stick with tape based HDV at this time and avoid AVCHD formats.
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08-01-2007 04:50 AM  13 years ago
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Use this editing system for AVCHD files

http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com
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08-01-2007 05:59 AM  13 years ago
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Use this editing system for AVCHD files

http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com...ild=96&lang=ENU
Sony will ONLY edit AVCHD files from Sony cameras. It does not currently support AVCHD from Panasonic.
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08-01-2007 02:11 PM  13 years ago
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then buy this camera:

[url=http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CategoryDisplay?catalogId=10551&storeId=10151&langId=-1&categoryId=8198552921644498780]
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08-01-2007 05:55 PM  13 years ago
Dr. Fibinotchi

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hmm
I have seen others say the same thing. Editing is a pain. I might have to look, but I thought I read of several guys that where able to edit ok with a select two or three programs.. Like the newest Nero?

The editing of sony with sony software is nice to know. One might have to find the software to edit with during purchasing...

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08-01-2007 06:21 PM  13 years ago
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I've used Nero, and I currently use Pinnacle to convert AVCHD to MPEG for my Vegas 7 software. Pinnacle is much better than Nero. Avoid Nero like the plague. Pinnacle is stable, and only 100 bucks. I only use it for conversion.

Infact, avoid AVCHD altogether. It really is a pain in the ass workflow as it stands now. Until we can 'natively' edit AVCHD, it will continue to be somewhat of a gimmick format. And even AVCHD native editing will be cumbersome, at best. Much like editing HDV when the format was new.

These are just my opinions. Others my differ.
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08-02-2007 03:19 AM  13 years ago
Dr. Fibinotchi

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hmm
That sony looks good, but..
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This camcorder captures high definition footage in the AVCHD format. Using the enclosed PC software, high definition footage can be copied onto DVD media. ""

I dont know this formate doesnt seem to be a problem maybe not now to use since more software is out? Maybe More of a PITA because you have to convert. Once this is converted its not a problem correct?

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08-07-2007 06:04 PM  13 years ago
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update.
I would like mini dv, but I am a little worried about vibs/ dropouts. Picture wise many have said second to none. hmmm..

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08-08-2007 05:34 AM  13 years ago
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Thats why I pointed you towards the Sony camera that records AVCHD on memory sticks, no zero-g problems, dirty heads or dropout.
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08-08-2007 09:48 AM  13 years ago
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Best HD is uncompressed. This limits your camera choice a bit as most cams are big and heavy. The Pana HDX cams can and are carried by helicams. The next best is probably DV tape compressed HD. I have never used this but I suspect the drop out issues have been slightly over-blown as these cams are used a lot in helicams due to their relatively low cost and small size.

I think that a cam on a mountain bikers helmet will be far more suseptable to shaking and drop out than one on a helicam. Solid state recording is great (Pana HDX) but AVCHD is known as having the worst compression losses and artifacts.

Paul.
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08-08-2007 10:45 AM  13 years ago
Dr. Fibinotchi

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yea
Agree. After much reserch going with the Cannon.

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