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07-30-2007 06:59 PM  13 years ago
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mike vario

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35 mm film help...
We got a request to film a commercial over here in mid september. They want it in 35 mm film, HELP , am a total beginner in that.
Have only been shooting dv/hdv before.
Any advice about which camera etc. etc. etc. would be so helpful.
Will use a Bergen Twin Observer, frontmounted, for the job. Can it lift a 35mm camera at all?
Also have a HCS underslung if that would fit better....
guess I have a lot to learn but am looking forward

Thanks in advance

Mike

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07-30-2007 07:17 PM  13 years ago
GauchoVolador

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Mike,
There are not right-out-of-the-box 35mm film cameras prepared for helicam shooting. The smaller youll get in film rentals are Arri 2c´s (200feet mag) but weight is near 5k with film-lens-batt-motor, there are some rare 35mm compact cameras but also difficult to find.
We shoot with compact 16mm film cameras with many mods on them, like wireless video assist, remote on-off, remote film counter etc etc.
Most of the directors we have dealt with have switched from 35 to 16mm for aerials since modern stocks are really good.
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07-31-2007 01:28 PM  13 years ago
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GauchoVolador, Thank you for help.
Am looking around for 16 and 35 mm cameras. Anyone who has experience of Arri 235 (35 mm), weight size etc?
Aaton Minima 16mm or A-cam 16 mm...

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08-02-2007 10:56 PM  13 years ago
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Mike,
Arri 235 +lens+mag+film+batt weights around +- 5kgs. Cost +-$60K
Aatom Aminima +lens+film+batt weights around +3,5kgs. Cost +- $30K
ACam +lens+film+batt weights around +2kgs. Cost +- $7K

In order to make them usable some sort of custom remote triggering is also needed.
In the Acam case you have to add a parallel video camera and some sort of safe-area marking to allow framing according to lens used.
I personally never shot with any of the above cameras but have some input from other people who has in ground conditions.
Id rule out the first two because of the $ in risk, ACam is a good option.

The 16mm cameras we use are provided with removable cartridges which we preload before shooting (50feet of film each) we take about 16 per shooting day which is 800feet of film (two 400feet cans) we dont expose more than 10/12 in a regular day. We switch exposed/unexposed ones just like switching video tapes which is much more faster and cleaner than removing the whole camera from the mount and threading film in inside the camera mechanism in a blind tent like you should have to do with internal threading cameras.
Film require a different discipline than video or still since you cannot spoil film in wrong shots or faulty maneouvers, it also requires more time to deal with the camera so the simpler the better.

I hope this helps.
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08-03-2007 01:26 AM  13 years ago
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The Arri 235 is so long too. If you can lift it then tilting it will be difficult I think.

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08-03-2007 02:26 AM  13 years ago
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Paul,
Yes, it also has lot of features totally overkill for coptercam shooting.
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08-03-2007 05:39 AM  13 years ago
Chris Bergen

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The front mount on the Twin Observer is NOT designed to carry that type and size of camera.

The mount on the Turbine Observer is closer, but still would be difficult due to the size of the film canister.

Best bet would be an underslung mount, giving you unlimited size, and fewer weight restrictions, but then you need a heli capable of carrying the weight of the camera AND the weight of the mount designed to handle the weight of the camera......
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08-03-2007 07:12 AM  13 years ago
mike vario

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I will make tests with a-cam next week. Found a remote triggered one with a minicam fitted to the viewfinder in the neighbourhood. =)
Hopefully I will recieve my Twin Observer (Chris, back from your competition?) next week. Will let you know the results.
Thanks for all feedback.

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08-03-2007 01:59 PM  13 years ago
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Mike,

Your heli is done!! It's actually shipping today, we finished up the test flights yesterday with the AP2000I onboard, worked like a champ!!

Thanks to Rusty for gettiing the build completed and initial test flights while I was away at IARC.

She's smooth from 1450 to 1650 headspeeds and climbs out pretty good at 24 lbs flying weight.
Chris D. Bergen
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08-03-2007 06:37 PM  13 years ago
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Chris!

Great news! Am walking on needles here. Happy to hear she's happy to fly and looking forward to se what she can do with cameras onboard!

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08-04-2007 02:32 AM  13 years ago
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Pictures of the new machine please

Paul.
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08-04-2007 12:25 PM  13 years ago
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FCM

Pictures will come as soon as we get the bird
How long can it take from USA to Sweden? 1 week? less i hope
it will be very interesting to fly it the first time

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08-04-2007 04:19 PM  13 years ago
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FCM, ofcourse there will be pictures! As soon as it is here =)Bergen Twin Observer
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08-09-2007 07:35 AM  13 years ago
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Wow! Recieved our bergen Twin Observer this monday and today will be testflight 1. So impressed of the quality. Here is a picture to start with. =) More to come...

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08-09-2007 06:02 PM  13 years ago
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Questions:

From the photograph it looks like the main blades are out farther than the center of rotation of the tail blades. Isn’t there a risk of a blade strike with this arrangement? Is the pilot expected to go easy with nose up maneuvers because of this arrangement? What is the actual blade clearance when the heli is at rest?

I am asking these questions because I have a set of 800mm blades coming for my Predator which will create a similar situation and I am wondering about how thin the ice is that I intend to skate on.
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08-10-2007 01:25 AM  13 years ago
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I run a big blade overlap on my Benzines without problems but you do need a long main shaft in order to ensure the mains don't contact the tail blades. It's okay as long as you are flying in a smooth manner with due regard for this factor.

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08-10-2007 02:24 AM  13 years ago
BigD5617

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35mm film ship
Your heli can carry the load, look for Nikon F bodies, these are titanium, can take a beating and carry 35mm film. Use servo to control the plunger, those kind of cameras do not have an optical trigger so you gonna have to rig link to trip the shutter. I use medium format cameras in the same fashion on my gasser.
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08-10-2007 05:49 AM  13 years ago
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I think that the 35mm being referred to is actually cine film not photographic film at least, that's how I read it.

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08-10-2007 06:16 AM  13 years ago
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If you have another look at the photo, you will see clearly that the heli is pointed slightly towards the camera (the undercarriage might be a clue) while the main blades are at the opposite angle to the camera (the fly-bar is actually pointing to the right of the camera) so it is not possible to make any judgements about tail rotor clearance. The photo makes the main blades look much longer compared to the tail boom....Tony Stott
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08-10-2007 06:52 AM  13 years ago
mike vario

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BigguyOz
You are right, that photo make the blades look longer. Here is a better one.
Had a first go last night. It is a really powerful twin engine mashine. Runs smooth and is very well built.

It is 35 mm Cinefilm we are looking for but probably we will run a 16mm A-cam instead.

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