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04-04-2012 06:05 PM  9 years ago
OneHoof

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I agree it takes a lot of skill to do tic tocs, funnels, piroflips and other "small scale extreme, hard core, smack down 3D stunt flying".

I do not imply that the skills of doing "full scale smooth, precise, graceful 3D type aerobatic stunt flying" is the same. Obviously it is a different skill set. But to say the Red Bull helicopter isn't doing "3D" flying is completely wrong!"

You have to realize "3D" is nothing more than an abbreviation of "three dimensional" and we are talking about the definition and meaning of this commonly used abbreviation.[/size][/U] The term "3D" can have different implications and contexts in the way it is used.

In the English language we abbreviate things a lot and use a lot of slang and jargon. If you say "3D" in the rc heli community around pilots who fly that style, then they instantly understand that jargon/slang implies their extreme styles of hard core "3D" style stunt flying.

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But you also have to realize "3D" in the rc heli world is in all actuality a further abbreviation for "extreme, hard core, smack down, 3D stunt flying". They just leave the preceding description off...

But mention the term "3D" to a movie theater owner or movie studio and "3D" means something entirely different! It means that movie was filmed in "3D" it looks like the movie action is jumping off the movie screen in a three dimensional way at you.

So the use of the term "3D" has to be used in its proper context. Again, in aviation 3D in its purest, simplest definition means ANYTHING that flies (birds, a blimp, helicopter or airplane) all move in a 3 dimensional plane of travel and they are not limited to 2 dimensional plane like a car.
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04-04-2012 09:52 PM  9 years ago
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I just think the guys that fly hard core stick banging dragonfly on crack RC heli 3D just get upset over nothing . We can't help you named your style of flying incorrectly. In fact, please feel free to use my definition

"Hard core stick banging dragonfly on crack RC heli 3D"

The description should be as hard to say as the style is to follow with normal human eyes
" The biggest threat to our freedom is not from foreign terrorist , but domestic morons"
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04-07-2012 08:51 PM  9 years ago
OneHoof

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DarkSide41

I like your "Hard core stick banging dragonfly on crack RC heli 3D" description of it.

The main thing is if a person doesn't understand the context that there is more to the simple abbreviation then its full meaning will be lost. I am just pointing out words mean things and are often misused.

The main point here is you have to realize "3D" is nothing more than an abbreviation of "three dimensional" and we are talking about the definition and meaning of this commonly used abbreviation. The term "3D" can have different implications and contexts in the way it is used.

For example you hear people say, "You have an attitude." But what they really mean is, you have a "bad attitude". Obviously, everybody has an attitude. That is a given. It is just a question as to whether or not it is good attitude, bad attitude or somewhere in between.

Technically speaking, the words "hard core" or "smack down" should be added in front of "3D" to put it in its proper context for what it truly means.

The video of the Red Bull helicopter and other full scale helicopters doing aerobatics is definitely 3D flying.It is "graceful, smooth and precise 3D style" flying verses "extreme, hard core, smack down 3D" flying of rc heli's. It isn't 2 dimensional, because the helicopter is moving in a 3 dimensional realm.
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04-07-2012 09:29 PM  9 years ago
OneHoof

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Words have meanings... and "3D" has more than one application than just to the rc heli community.
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04-07-2012 10:22 PM  9 years ago
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The pilot isn't flying a TOY RC Heli. So unless anyone here has the BALLs to match or do better? Its spot on.
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04-08-2012 01:21 AM  9 years ago
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OneHoof, please STOP SHOUTING!

You seem to be under the impression that increasing the size of your writing (as well as colouring it, underlining it, and marking it in bold and caps lock) somehow magically makes your arguments more valid. Well I'm very sorry to tell you, but no. Increasing the size of the characters does NOT increase the weight of your argument.

Also, do you have voices in your head that compel you to repeat the same thing over and over? Apparently so.

And on a more related matter; when you drive your car up a twisting mountain are doing 3D?
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04-09-2012 12:50 PM  9 years ago
DarkSide41

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When you drive a car up a twisting mountain road are the wheels still not planted to the ground ? Silly comparision." The biggest threat to our freedom is not from foreign terrorist , but domestic morons"
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04-09-2012 01:40 PM  9 years ago
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When you drive a car up a twisting mountain road are the wheels still not planted to the ground ? Silly comparision.
Yes, they are. But is the car not traveling across 3 different planes of movement, i.e., 3 dimensions? Do you suggest we call this 3D driving?
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04-09-2012 07:01 PM  9 years ago
OneHoof

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And on a more related matter; when you drive your car up a twisting mountain are doing 3D?

Watch at YouTube

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Now on the other hand. If you drove off the side of that mountain road or cliff and the car was literally flying through the air.

Yes. Then the car would be traveling in the three dimensional realm. But as long as its wheels were on the road it would only be two dimensional.

So, yes I consider the General Lee Dodge Charger's jumps and motor cross motorcycle jumps to be in the three dimensional realm too. LOL

Btw, I didn't put any of my sentences in caps lock.
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04-09-2012 07:18 PM  9 years ago
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You guys need to go back and read this thread from end to end...Thanks for a good laugh....Time to take a deep breath, relax, and remember this is a hobby that we do to enjoy ourselves and have fun. Who gives a crap what the hell 3D means.Blade 400 Hughes 500 Scale Align 450Pro Raptor 50 Align 700N
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04-09-2012 07:21 PM  9 years ago
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This is a Blade CX. It is coaxial with counter-rotating blades. Chances are you've either flown one or seen one fly and you are familiar with what they're capable of.

Should we "dumb down" the definition of 3D Flight furthermore so the Blade CX can be listed as 3D Capable?
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04-09-2012 07:23 PM  9 years ago
OneHoof

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Rotormaster,

I am not shouting anywhere. If you go back and look, I don't have any entire sentences in all caps in any of my posts.

I highlighted my key points to emphasize their importance. I repeat myself because people don't seem to be listening to what I have written and what my point is.

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I am just pointing out words mean things. People misuse words and take things out of their proper context all the time.

And no, when a car is driving up a twisting mountain road it is still in contact with the ground and only able to move in a two dimensional plane following where the road dictates.

I am just pointing out the fact "3D" should be used in its proper context and no certain group out there owns exclusive rights to its use.

SGT V

This is all I am saying:
At the end of the day, the fact remains, "3D" is still an abbreviation for "3 dimensional". And it has different meanings and implications depending on how you are using it and which context you are using it for in your conversation.

Words mean things... Unfortunately, people sometimes use an abbreviation to mean one particular thing for so long that they erroneously assume it only has one meaning or context of use and that simply is not true.

The bottom line is the rc helicopter community does not have exclusive rights to the use of the abbreviation of "3D".
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04-09-2012 07:35 PM  9 years ago
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Dood,

Apparently you either are not reading what I am saying or you aren't understanding it.

Again, anything that flies, flies in the 3 dimensional realm.

"3D" is an abbreviation...

In the rc heli community it is a further abbreviation for "extreme, hard core, smack down 3D, stunt flying".

The blade would fall into the category of "normal" three dimensional flying. (3 dimensional non stunt flying) Meaning it always flies upright and does mild, simple normal flight maneuvers... flying up and down.

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You guys are getting wrapped around the axle about an abbreviation of a slang term that means far more than what you imply.

For the context of your meaning of your slang of "3D". No obviously the Blade CX does not do "extreme, hard core, smack down 3D, stunt flying".

But for what "3D" truly means... moving in the 3 dimensional plane of travel, up and down, forward and backwards, yes the Blade CX does fly in the 3 dimensional realm.

You are comparing a slang term to the text book definition of an abreviation. The two are never going to mean the same thing. Nor do I imply that they do.
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04-09-2012 07:40 PM  9 years ago
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Please realize, I have nothing but respect for the skills of rc heli pilots who are capable of "extreme, hard core, smack down, stick banging, 3D stunt flying. Their flying abilities always amaze me because the helicopter is pushed to the limits of the laws of physics and are always on the brink of utter destruction.

It takes a lot of skill to do tic tocs, funnels, piroflips and other "small scale extreme, hard core, smack down 3D stunt flying". I do not imply that the skills of doing "full scale smooth, precise, graceful 3D type aerobatic stunt flying" is the same. Obviously it is a different skill set. But to say the Red Bull helicopter isn't doing "3D" flying is completely wrong.

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Chuck Aaron is working to rig the Red Bull helicopter's rotor system with negative pitch to attempt inverted hovering. Now that would be amazing to see a full scale helicopter do an inverted hover.

Of course this is EXTREMELY dangerous because when inverted the rotor disc's coning angle will flex towards the fuselage making a tail boom strike VERY likely.

Also, realize doing full scale aerobatic 3D flying that your life is on the line. If you pull back too far on the cyclic and the main rotor strikes the tail boom then your rotor is ripped off and you are going to die. Therefore, full scale aerobatics has to be extremely smooth.

Whereas if you botch an aerobatic 3D stunt with an rc helicopter your bird crashes... You pick up the pieces and re-build it. That is a huge difference!!!

Again, the g forces on the human body even in the "graceful" Red Bull aerobatic 3D performance are VERY strong. You might not realize that from the ground.
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04-09-2012 07:46 PM  9 years ago
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Three dimensional is three dimensional. Anything that flies, flies in a three dimensional plane of travel, verses the two dimensional plane of travel. Therefore, technically speaking, anything that flies is flying 3D (or 3 dimensional).

There is a huge difference between a seven pound remote control, small scale helicopter doing "extreme, hard core, smack down, 3D, stunt flying" and a full scale helicopter that has an empty weight of 2,813 lb doing "graceful, smooth, precise aerobatic, 3D, stunt flying"!

First of all, neither a full scale helicopter, nor the pilot could survive the extremely violent g forces inflicted by the type of "extreme, hardcore, smack down, 3D, stunt flying" small scale heli pilots put their helicopters through. It would rip the rotors off and break the pilot's neck.

Secondly, it would be impossible for a full scale helicopter that weighs in excess of 3,000 pounds (with fuel and pilot) to perform "extreme, hard core, smack down, 3D, stunt flying" because a full scale helicopter does NOT have the thrust to weight ratio of a small scale helicopter.

We should all just enjoy the hobby. We got into it for different reasons.

Let's not get wrapped around the axle about this and just enjoy this beautiful flying weather.

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04-09-2012 07:47 PM  9 years ago
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The "graceful, smooth, precise aerobatic, 3D, stunt flying" a full scale helicopter does is definitely three dimensional flying. Therefore, its "graceful" aerobatics is 3D flying.

Everybody has to understand there are different levels of 3D flying. A full scale helicopter with a rigid rotor system is only capable of doing certain maneuvers because of its weight, rotors and g force limitations of the aircraft and the pilot. So, for these reasons a full scale helicopter will never be able to perform "extreme, hardcore, smack down, 3D, stunt flying" like a small scale helicopter.

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That does not mean small scale pilots are better than full scale pilots. I guarantee if the small scale pilot could shrink himself down and fly his rc helicopter from inside his routine would be tamed down a LOT because there is only so much the human body can withstand!!!
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04-09-2012 07:49 PM  9 years ago
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I enjoy watching both small scale aerobatic 3D performances as well as full scale aerobatic 3D performances. Both types of three dimensional shows take great skill and courage from the pilots performing them. I do not see nor understand why certain people try to say one is three dimensional and the other isn't three dimensional. That makes no sense. They are both three dimensional (3D).

If you don't believe me... go up for a ride with an aerobatic pilot as he performs his 3D stunts at an air show this summer and tell me if that changes your perspective. 3D is 3D whether full scale or small scale.

You just have to add "small scale extreme, hard core, smack down" or "full scale graceful, smooth, precise" in front of the abbreviation to differentiate between the two.

I think we should enjoy and appreciate both full scale and small scale aerobatic 3D shows and not get so worked up about what they are called. Let's give both the full scale and small scale pilots the credit they deserve. Just enjoy the show. Now let's go fly! Have fun and be safe!

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04-09-2012 07:50 PM  9 years ago
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At the end of the day, the fact remains, "3D" is still an abbreviation for "3 dimensional". And it has different meanings and implications depending on how you are using it and which context you are using it for in your conversation.

Words mean things... Unfortunately, people sometimes use an abbreviation to mean one particular thing for so long that they erroneously assume it only has one meaning or context of use and that simply is not true.

Watch at YouTube

ature=related

The bottom line is the rc helicopter community does not have exclusive rights to the use of the abbreviation of "3D".
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04-09-2012 07:55 PM  9 years ago
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30 degrees of pitch or 60 degrees of bank relative to the horizon requires the pilot and all occupants to wear a parachute. This 30/60 rule appears under FAR 91.307 (c).
I aint wearing no Fricken parachute when I fly my helis
Bill Whittaker
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04-09-2012 07:58 PM  9 years ago
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I aint wearing no Fricken parachute when I fly my helis
Are you flying rc or full scale. That law only applies to full scale aircraft. LOL
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