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10-13-2011 06:12 PM  6 years agoPost 1721
Peter E

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Nice video Kevo!

Now I also have a face with your name

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10-17-2011 01:50 AM  6 years agoPost 1722
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Movie maker Dude! Wow! Loved it! I liked how you filmed yourself in the car driving into the park, that kind of detail help tell the story. Very nice, well done and Alaska sure looks beautiful.

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01-14-2012 01:01 PM  6 years agoPost 1723
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I've come to the point in this hobby where I want to try FPV flying. I've been reading many forums over the last couple of weeks learning the equipment and it's limitations. I must admit, there is more to this FPV flying than I though so many choices.

My first hurdle and where I'd like some assistance is frequency and antenna choices.

Here are some of my parameters:
- I'd like to fly out about a mile
- I have 2.4 and 72MHz radios
- Rural areas - cell towers and a few farm houses
- For the most no trees but would be nice to fly along a
river or stream where there would be trees.
- For the most part I think I'd be flying out in front of me,
not above or behind
- OBD and RTH would be nice features to add in the future.

Thanks guys,

Tonic

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01-14-2012 04:49 PM  6 years agoPost 1724
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Hey Robbie, I think its great you want to take the FPV leap bro! A couple years ago Alex the Engineer for Range Video told me once I flew FPV I would never want to fly in the third person again and he was absolutley correct. FPV is the only way I will fly now.

OK, what will you need? First and foremost, and I don't care how far away you are flying, a mile or ten miles, A Thomas LRS is a must. Once you go to 433 you will never go back. There reasons are many but I will only touch on a few. Obviously the long range capability is the main reason, but if you are only going a couple miles it maitains signal when only a few inches off the ground. I've seen videos of guys flying five miles 10 feet above the ground. The second reason is that the THomas is not affected by what video frequency you use at least near as much as 72 and 2.4, it gives you way more choices as far as what yo want you downlink frequency to be.

There are a lot of OSD's out there but I am partial the the Range Video Generation 5 with the onboard IMU stabilization. Its awesome.

Goggles. This is jst me, a lot of guys will tell you otherwise I'm sure. Go with a good set of goggles like Fatsharks or Headplays. Don't waste your time with a monitor. I have tried this and just find there is no way to completely get rid of all the glare and simply put, it just takes the joy out of FPV fighting that glare. Its awesome to pull your goggles down over your eyes and have all outside light be gone. Like sitting in a theater.

This is really just the tip of the iceberg, but it will give you something to think about. Let me know if you have any questions Would love to see some FPV videos from you soon dude!

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01-14-2012 06:10 PM  6 years agoPost 1725
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Thanks for quick response Kevo. When I see the big snow storms on TV you've been getting, I think of how your doing. Wow, that's a lot of snow! We've been brown and worm this winter, till two days ago.

Okay, I'll check out the Thomas LRS. I gave it a quick look, that should take me a little time but hay that all part of the fun. I'm sure I'm going to have a few questions, like 433, I thought it was a model number at first. lol Looks like a frequency, I'll check that out too.

Thanks again buddy and stay worm,

Robby

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01-16-2012 02:39 AM  6 years agoPost 1726
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Actually, for a first time FPV, I would go with a simple foam plane set up (e.g. Skysurfer size is just perfect).
Just a plane with a CCTV camera on board, good motor, good servo (non of that cheap 9g servos), etc.
Very important to have good video transmitter and receiver. Go with LAWMATE 1.2 Ghz. None of that hobby king crap.

Long range radio is a must, but not mandatory at the begining (keep flights short and simple).
Most importantly for me is the IMU based stabilizers, like the FY30A:
http://shop.fyetech.com/product_inf...&products_id=67

With IMU stabilizers, FPV would just not be possible for me. The whole point is to fly and enjoy the view, not having to worry too much about flying the plane (just don't stall it!).

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01-16-2012 11:39 AM  6 years agoPost 1727
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BB,

I like your post and that Skysufer looks like a great plane for FPV. If you don't mind, what do you think of the package deal in this link?

http://hobbywireless.com/index.php?...products_id=137

Tonic

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01-16-2012 12:35 PM  6 years agoPost 1728
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I would go for it except the Fatshark glasses they offer is crap. (The offered alternative is also crap). The chromatic abberations and lack of focus makes me cross eyed when using the Fatshark Base. Its also hot and unconfortable.

Look around the net, there are loads of vendors selling the Fatshark Dominator, which is a zillion times better than the Base version.

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01-16-2012 04:48 PM  6 years agoPost 1729
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Actually, for a first time FPV, I would go with a simple foam plane set up (e.g. Skysurfer size is just perfect
Borneo Bear is Spot on with everything. Start out learning on a cheap foamie.
Just a plane with a CCTV camera on board, good motor, good servo (non of that cheap 9g servos), etc.
Very important to have good video transmitter and receiver. Go with LAWMATE 1.2 Ghz. None of that hobby king crap.
Spot on.
Long range radio is a must, but not mandatory at the begining (keep flights short and simple).
I agree whole heartedly except for one thing. One thing to keep in mind. When you drop those goggles on you are committed. Meaning you no longer have visual contact with the plane. The first time you do this your knees will be knocking. Now you have no choice but to see the flight through to the end. One thing that makes this difficult is that everything looks soooooo different from up there. Its much easier to get disoriented. In 30-45 seconds you can be very close to or be out of your standard TX's range going pell mell in the wrong direction. 433 offers you one very important thing and that is forgiveness. If things really go south and you are really far away and somehow end up very low to the ground, assuming you havent panicked by now, the Thomas will still work. You may laugh but I have seen many videos of guys that have encountered that exact scenario.

One more thing. This is just me. I have the Gen 5 RVOSD. I NEVER use the autopilot. I have it set up and all working for one reason. RTH (Return To Home)This is beccause I want some insurance. I have thousands wrapped up in my plane now and its no longer a simple task to fly. Its a full road show if you consider everything it takes for me to pull off a FPV flight, its insane especially when you look back on my Slow stick days! The RTH feature on the RVOSD makes it worth every penny. When I was flying 72 mhz my RTH popped on more than once and turned my plane around and headed it home for me. There is no better feeling let me tell you. The rest of the features are awesome too. Battery life, home arrow, altitude, airspeed, etc etc. Its just awesome!
Look around the net, there are loads of vendors selling the Fatshark Dominator, which is a zillion times better than the Base version.
I have the Fatshark Aviators and they are great. I agree though I have heard lesser things about the base models. The Headplays are suppose to be incredible and are real popular too. These will probably be my next set of goggles.

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01-17-2012 06:32 AM  6 years agoPost 1730
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Right on Kevo. If you can afford an autopilot with RTH, by all means, go for it.
There's so many to choose from nowadays. Back when I first started, any mention of "autopilot" would equal $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.

But that all changed 2 years ago, when guys like Fyetech and Cyclops came along. Prices thumbled to what they are now.
Now you get artificial horizon, antenna tracking, airspeed, ground speed, barometric altitude and tons of other information on the screen.

But to me, thats all good if you're REALLY into this. For a start, keep it simple. IMU Stabilize your flights, and enjoy the view.

LEARN to read landmarks from the air, so you don't get lost (like Kevo says, its damn easy to get lost up there). Even with RTH on board, you should still LEARN TO READ AND REMEMBER LANDMARKS as you fly. Its a habit that you should pick up early. It will help you get home.
There are times when GPS signal is lost and you can't rely on automated RTH. Thats when your skill at reading the terrain becomes a plane saver.

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01-17-2012 10:53 AM  6 years agoPost 1731
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I've spent an hour or two daily for that last couple of weeks boning up on FPV. Forums, YouTube and supplier websites gave me a lot of information but also a headache from confusion. There is a lot to know, plus a little sticker shock.

I'm really liking what both Kevo and BB are saying and I really appreciate your imputes. I'm sure I'll end up biting hard on FPV. My history in this hobby has been baby steps, I hit'em all too. Blade CX to Trex 700 and foamy planks to giant scale. I think I'm leaning BB way on keeping it simple in the beginning. Don't like to by twice so I'll pony up for good equipment.

For now I got sticker shock but I'll be over that in a week or two. In the mean time what's wrong with going with the equipment below to start with?

Skysufer or Easy Star $ 80
Plane electronics 150
Headplays 300
1.3 Transmitter 70 - 150
1.3 receiver 60
FY30A IMU Stabilizer 125
What else? ?
Total ............... Grrrran

Just flying 72 and keeping it close in, then adding the 433, OBD and RTH down the road in a few months.

Tonic

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01-17-2012 05:18 PM  6 years agoPost 1732
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LEARN to read landmarks from the air, so you don't get lost (like Kevo says, its damn easy to get lost up there). Even with RTH on board, you should still LEARN TO READ AND REMEMBER LANDMARKS as you fly. Its a habit that you should pick up early. It will help you get home.
That is so true! Fly next to something that is easy to recocnize from the air.

Your list looks good Robby. Start with that and work your way up to the rest of the stuff.

Kevo

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01-18-2012 10:00 AM  6 years agoPost 1733
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Are the antennas supplied with the 1.3 RX and TX good enough for flying like one would at a club field?

Tonic

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01-18-2012 04:57 PM  6 years agoPost 1734
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Yes Robby, the RV 1.3 will give you plenty of range, at least a mile. You will know when you are reaching the limit as yor video will start to get fuzzy. Then all you do is turn aroound. When you wnat to start going further you can just move up to a patch antenna then you will be good for 5-6 miles sometimes even further.

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