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05-28-2007 02:39 AM  13 years ago
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studmanbri

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My first flip!!!
Well, it's 2 weeks today since I purchased my bcpp. And this morning I made my first flip attempt. I started about 9 ft off of the ground flipped forward and gave it full neg. It Went forward a little slower than i expected and started a hover inverted about 9 inches off of the ground, needless to say my reflexes on my first inverted hover were too slow for my ground proximity and Bam; rotor first like I was drilling for oil. After the applause died down from the other airfielders I picked it up and went back to the truck. Bent shaft, sheared off shear pin. Easy fix! I got it back out for try #2. A little more wobble this time but hey, I'm not gonna replace the shaft just to bend it again. Anyways, I tried a little higher this time as it appeared to be my first problem. So, about 16 ft high this time. Flipped it forward, hard neg. flipped it forward again... Wow this is working. Unfortunately the second flip brought me within a few feet of the ground which wasn't enough time to regain control and lift... Bam! This time shaft, pin, landing gear, and my new carbon fiber main blades. *#&%$! I think tomorrow I'll start my flip at about 30 ft. Also, after my second attempt one of the guys said "flipping forward is alot slower than backwards." thanks pal for letting me know after the second crash.
Anyone got any input about their first flips. Or maybe which way is easier to start with? I'm gonna master this if it kills my heli.
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05-28-2007 02:51 AM  13 years ago
tat2wallace

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FLIPING BACKWARDS IS ALWAYS BETTER FOR ME, GET A GOOD FORWARD FLIGHT TOO, INSTEAD OF DOING A HOVER STARTING FLIP... HOVER IN FRONT OF YOU, THEN GO FAST FORWARD WHILE CLIMBING, PULL BACK, DONT GO FULL NEG, JUST GO AROUND MID STICK... YOULL SEE THIS WAY IS ALOT EASIER...
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05-28-2007 03:05 AM  13 years ago
studmanbri

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thanks, about how much altitude do you loose when doing this?When in doubt... Punch out
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05-28-2007 03:09 AM  13 years ago
tat2wallace

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MABEY 10 FEET... AFTER YOU DO 3 OR 4 OF THESE, YOU WILL CATCH YOURSELF LETTING THE HELI DIVE A BIT NOSE DOWN BEFOR PULLING IT UP... THE MAIN THING IS DONT LET THE BLADE NOISE JITTER YOU... I CRASHED MY FIRST 2 OF THESE CAUSE THE BBBBLLLUUU SCARED ME...
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05-28-2007 03:11 AM  13 years ago
studmanbri

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thanks, hey, why mid stick on the neg? does full stick launch you up too fast and out of control? Or does it not flip as fast?When in doubt... Punch out
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05-28-2007 03:16 AM  13 years ago
tat2wallace

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WELL WHEN YOU GO UP SIDE DOWN, YOU DONT NEED TO GAIN ALTITUDE, YOU JUST WANT TO KINDA FLOAT FOR A SEC... IMAGINE LOOKING AT IT FROM THE SIDE, YOU GO UP UP, THEN AS YOUR UPSIDE DOWN, YOU DONT CLIMB, YOU JUST COME ON AROUND.... A NICE ROUND CIRCLE...
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05-28-2007 03:46 AM  13 years ago
Gino CP

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That's a floop. A way of testing inverted characteristics safely.Turn on a dime. Flip like a quarter. Feel like a million bucks.
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05-28-2007 03:48 AM  13 years ago
studmanbri

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Well, floop yeah!When in doubt... Punch out
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05-28-2007 07:11 AM  13 years ago
eddo22

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nice try man. i am still trying to get up the cojones to try a flip or a loop. for now, i am perfecting nose-in landings and starting to learn backwards flight (a lot trickier than i thought it would be). keep at it, and keep us updated with tips on how you get it done.ed g
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05-28-2007 04:28 PM  13 years ago
studmanbri

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Nose in landing! Man, that seems like its more risky than a flip. I can nose in fine at 20 ft, but the closer to the ground i get, the more nervous i get. It's probably 90% in my head.When in doubt... Punch out
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05-28-2007 04:38 PM  13 years ago
studmanbri

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Tried another flip this morning. Decided to try the afor mentioned "floop". It was a little windy which is my excuse for the following. I got a little forward flight going about 30 ft up before i pitched it back. it went back, but also slightly left; so when i applied neg. it went farther left. So I was inverted but at a 45 degree angle. I then went back again so when I was right side up again I was still at a 45 degree angle. I almost got it under control before the nose first impact ( landing gear, shaft, and main blades.). Oh well, I'm getting closer. Maybe next time I'll wait for perfect conditions; the problem is I don't get very many chances to fly with the wife and kids all over me all the time.
In my next life maybe I'll come back as a independantly wealthy bachelor.
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05-28-2007 04:46 PM  13 years ago
fenderstrat

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I gotta ask,Is this your first heli?You've only been flying for 2 weeks?Compass helis Support Team
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05-28-2007 08:35 PM  13 years ago
eddo22

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hehe thanks, i'm getting the hang of nose-in landings...had a minor boom strike yesterday tho. good try again on this attempt. before your hurt your wallet anymore, are you running an hh gyro?? if not, it will help eliminate that tail movement that gotcha...the one i got was only 38 bucks at helidirect (e-sky hh gyro).ed g
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05-28-2007 10:42 PM  13 years ago
studmanbri

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No, it's not my first heli. I've had been flying for over a month w/ my hobby people sabre. Only learned to hover w/ it. Didn't really start FF until 2 weeks ago yesterday. But it is pretty easy once you stop steering w/ the rudder and realize you can pitch the heli; Orientation is tough. I can now fly over the whole park, although when this little heli gets more than 150 ft away I have trouble seeing which way the nose is pointing. A bigger canopy would help tremendously.
Anyways, yes I have a g-90 HH gyro on it; I couldn't really fly it until I got it. When I would punch the throttle the heli would do 360's on it's way up. The HH gyro is a must.
So no fellas, I'm no prodogy. I need lots of practice and technology to get me flying.
Hope the wind dies down, I'm fixed and ready to go again. Maybe I'll fly a few lipos before I try my next flip. Gotta spread the expence out.
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05-29-2007 06:00 PM  13 years ago
MarksRC

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It would be alot less expensive if you used a simulator.
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05-29-2007 07:51 PM  13 years ago
rky5

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Advice
When you try your flip again just do it high enough to make a mistake and still recover. Also like some one else mentioned get a little forward motion going with the heli then try the flip backwards, it comes a little faster that way.
Also the same works in reverse get it moving forward in inverted then push forward hard on the stick to get it right side up. That way you actually climb when you get it right side up again.
Good luck it does get easier !
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05-30-2007 02:44 AM  13 years ago
studmanbri

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thanks guys, I really appreciate all the input. This hobby is definately easier w/ advice from other people in to it. I think on my next attempt I'm going to try pitching it to the side. But I'm gonna wait about a week. I've been flying in idle up now and i'm finding that it is much easier to control. Especially when coming down. The increased head speed keeps the little bird much more stable. Also, in flying like this I found that my neg. pitch wasn't very good. At mid stick in idle up my pitch was slightly positive; lessening my neg pitch. Also i have a habit of upping my throttle trim because i flew in regular mode and this also lessened my neg pitch. I think when I try again my bird won't lose as much altitude.When in doubt... Punch out
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