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05-25-2007 03:57 PM  13 years ago
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Willie 300S

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How to Prevent Disorientation
I have been flying planks for more than 30 years and never have a problem with disorientation but after 2 years with my Trex and now my Titan I still ocassionally lose it when flying circuits. I can fly in all orientations and even inverted to some degree but every once in a while for no apparent reason I cannot tell how the heli is oriented. This usually results in a spectactular deformation of one or more of the structural components. I have done this several times with the Trex with no big financial consequences but last week I lost my Titan for the first time and I guess the damage was upwards of $150.
Any suggestions on how to eliminate these incidences? Should I fly closer in, keep it moving when it is not close in, fly higher? I'm a little dismayed at the moment.
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05-25-2007 04:16 PM  13 years ago
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I'm by no means a good pilot, but I tend to fly inside my head as well as look at the heli. What I mean by this is that I take into consideration what inputs I've given and then determine roughly how it's oriented in flight. This helps bail you out when you lose sight of your heli for a moment and then can't determine by sight alone how it's oriented.

There are different ways of improving the visibility of your heli, such as sticking high-visibility stickers on whatever helps you orient, such as the skis, the boom, or the canopy. A nice, bright LED (or a few) at strategic positions can also help.

Flying too close might not be a good idea if you don't have orientation down pat. "Losing your head" might take on a whole new meaning.
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05-25-2007 04:26 PM  13 years ago
Willie 300S

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Firefox
Thanks for the ideas. I have never thought of LED's but that could really help. Do you know a source for obtaining a system for a heli. I know they have night flight systems but I'm thinking they wouldn't do much good in daylight.
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05-25-2007 04:55 PM  13 years ago
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I was loosing orientation on my helicopters left and right about a year ago. After a visit to my eye doctor, and new colors on the heli, I have not crashed due to disorientation.

Sorry about the crappy picture, I was taken with a camera phone.

Rafael
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05-25-2007 04:55 PM  13 years ago
Shoego Heli

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Use a flourescent color for your canopy, like orange,green, yellow. You can add thoughs bright skid grips (yellow) made by Thunder Tiger, and on the exhaust side there are flourescent exhaust tube that are used by the nitro car/monster truck crowd. Some companies also make the tail boom in flourescent colors too, or you can paint your boom yourself. On a sunny day all this stuff helps to keep your heli from hitting the ground unexpectedly.

And like the about picture the bright colors on the canopy made the difference from crashing every once in awhile to being able to fly in any orientation and far away - even with my little Trex.
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05-25-2007 05:23 PM  13 years ago
Dragonfryer

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Can I blame the smoke?
SOmetime i get dis-orientated & push the sticks wrong way, especially when the smoke are thick on windless day.

I agree, concentration is everything.
No substitution, land if you feel you are loosing concentrations.
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05-25-2007 05:56 PM  13 years ago
Rafael23cc

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Can I blame the smoke?
Yes you can! Depending on the fuel that you use, and the weather conditions, the smoke can be a pain the the rear when you are flying behind it, I.E. with the exhaust pointing at you.

Rafael
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05-25-2007 05:57 PM  13 years ago
MJWS

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I used to do a good solid stripe of flouro vinyl on my booms. The truth is if you have to try and spot something shiny or an led and think about it then it is likely already due for structural deformation. But the bright colors can help occasionally, so why not?

Now if I lose it, I'll just kick the tail around. If I can spot it, cool. It's really just a matter of stick time, eventually the heli just matches the picture in your head and the feeling. You won't be looking for a color or light or thinking at all.

In the mean time the brighter the better.

Mike
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05-25-2007 08:01 PM  13 years ago
Kevin Dalrymple

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I have had this problem many times weather it was smoke or just out to far. The best thing that worked for me was to put an input into the heli like move the tail or add some elivator or give it some collective. I comes right back with a small movement. The movement of the tail works best for me. It is safer than collective and the helli is not going in a different direction in a hurry. Once i figured this out it did not matter what my heli was painted or even if i flew with a body on it. If you are color blind what dose it matter what the canopy is painted? Hope this helps.
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05-25-2007 08:08 PM  13 years ago
flyingbajau

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I use bright contrasting florescent colors and log on more sim time. Eventually it will become a second nature

Good Luck
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05-25-2007 08:35 PM  13 years ago
Willie 300S

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You guys are great.
I now have a bunch of new ideas to try next time out. Can't wait to try them. Also I'm glad to know I'm not the only one with the problem. If the UPS man comes through I should be ready to go again by Sunday.
Thanks for all your help.
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05-25-2007 10:30 PM  13 years ago
GyroFreak

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spectactular deformation of one or more of the structural components.
Love that description...
I think about the hereafter. I go somewhere to get something, then wonder what I'm here after ?
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05-26-2007 12:56 AM  13 years ago
Rick_H

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The above are all great ideas, When I lose orientation I start a slow to medium piro to the right. If I see the tail pop out to the left then I know I was tail in if I see it to the right I know I was nose in at that point I tend to do a diving turn towards me so I can see the blades and regain my orientation. I don't know why or when I started doing this but its been working great for me.

Rick
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05-26-2007 02:34 AM  13 years ago
perfesser zero

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Crash...
Hell, I just loose it and crash . I've been in this funk for about a month now and have lost two and almost a third heli to getting disoriented/heli failure. Sim time is all I'm getting at this moment. Almost afraid to fly anything. Hope to have good luck this weekend. I'm doing almost nothing but nose in on the Sim and for real and I've lost the tail three times in the last month. I was only able to catch it on one and almost hit my self with the heli. That was a scary incident. I put the heli back in the truck. BTW, I've been flying longer than most here and I'm still having certain problems. My eyesight is probably the biggest one. I think I need to get it checked again.

Later...

Scott!
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05-26-2007 02:57 AM  13 years ago
UpInTheAir

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Bright colors, I have not lost sight yet

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05-26-2007 09:15 AM  13 years ago
uragem

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Flying closer in and trusting the sticks helped me!Indy Jeweler
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05-26-2007 05:26 PM  13 years ago
jschenck

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I find that the green or even white hiller paddles help a lot. really help the disk stand out. Also, blades with solid white tips like the TT's really help.

My favorite combo is the TT600CF blades, green paddles and the yellow plastic canopy with bright dayglow green monocote applied. check out my gallery.

Another trick, every time I crash I'll go to the simulator and put the heli in the same situation. practice recovery until it happens every time. When get in trouble, lift the tail and get the disk flat!
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05-28-2007 07:49 PM  13 years ago
perfesser zero

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jschenck...
When get in trouble, lift the tail and get the disk flat!
Please explain this! Tail up? Getting the disk flat isn't always my problem. Getting the tail calmed down is. This weekend we had another flier in our group that lost his tail rotor and put his MX400 into the lake we were flying at. Since we couldn't find it in the lake we have no idea what went wrong.

Later...

Scott!
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05-29-2007 03:54 AM  13 years ago
jschenck

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What I mean by that is basically transition into forward flight by lifting the tail. If I'm in trouble having the heli slid down tail first usually equals a very quick trip into the dirt. If the tail is high I have a much better chance of catching my orientation. So I've sort of made a mantra of 'flatten the disk and tail up' when going through a series of maneuvers mentally, preparing for a bail out.

Now granted this does not help if the heli is piroing out of control because of a hard bog or wrong tail command but that has typically not been the problem that puts my Raptors in the dirt. With the Trex I have had problems with the tail kicking out from a bog which has results in crashes - I attribute this to less rotor momentum therefore subject to a more dramatic loss in rotor speed = torque kick out.

It works for me, perhaps not for others.
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05-29-2007 04:01 AM  13 years ago
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I never thought it would happen to me...
I have a yellow plastic canopy and TT blades on my ship. I was flying a hurricane and tried to piro out and the ship looked like it was all black when it got below the tree line.

I could not tell if it was coming or going. It was the first time that this had happened and I ended up panicking and fighting it.

Even with the bright colors. The sky was hazy, the sun was right in the corner of my eye and the tree line made me color blind for about 5 seconds.
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